Loki doesn’t finish exactly (episode 6)

I’ll start with a minor spoiler, which I’m not hiding because it’s information people like to know before jumping into a series. Episode 6 doesn’t resolve the plot and is a set-up for season 2. I’d assumed Loki was a limited series but apparently not.

This episode sort of gets to an end point but not one that really resolves anything. There are revelations (some a bit info-dumpy) but it isn’t a finale as such. Entertaining but not as sparkly as the previous episodes. More detailed spoilers…

Sylvie and Loki make it through to whoever is running everything and it turns out to be just some guy. I know some people find this revelation disappointing but I kind of like it. The show has never suggested that it is a kind of who-or-what-dunnit mystery in the way that WandaVision was. The “real” story turns out to be pretty much the same as the fake Time Keepers cover story. The details differ (it’s just one guy rather than three aliens) but the premise is more-or-less the same. Various realities in a multiverse became aware of each other, which led to conflict at the end of which He Who Remains is the last surviving instance of a guy central to the multiversal conflict. It is he who has been pruning the timeline so he doesn’t have to end up fighting his other-selves.

We end up with a basic question for Loki as a character. They thrive on chaos and disorder but also crave power and control. How much do they want of each? Also, how much surrounding order do they need to have something to disrupt? The chaotic fascist isn’t an oxymoron — disruption is a way of displaying power and also a means to an end. Personalities with an anarchic (in a non-political sense) personality don’t necessarily skew towards anarchism as an ideology — indeed, possibly the opposite as ideological anarchism looks towards social consensus as a means of doing without government.

Our two not-exactly-heroes take two different stances. Sylvie is direct and aims to kill the guy behind it all despite his claim that doing so will just result in the same multiversal conflict which will once again lead to another version of himself in charge. The chaos of revolution will lead to a new dictator, even if it is one who is more affable than a Napoleon or Stalin. Of course he might be lying.

Hiddleston-Loki is not so keen. Keeping the current status quo at least means he knows what he is kicking against. It is in keeping with the MCU character we’ve met, who enjoys the chaos but sees it as a means to an end. In Thor: Ragnarok, Loki has tricked his way into taking Odin’s place but once in power he does little with it and even though it is Loki he takes the final step by the end of the film to summon Surtur and destroy Asgard, he does so because Thor asks him to. Hiddleston-Loki is not a natural revolutionary even if he is inherently rebellious.

The MCU and Marvel more generally have played with this idea of the conflict between a sympathetic antagonist who wants to righteously burn everything down and a more moderate protagonist who sees why that is a bad idea for reasons that the scriptwriters have had to shoehorn into the story. Notably, Thor: Ragnarok inverted the trope with Thor bringing down both The Grandmaster in a revolution but also literally destroying his own kingdom rather than let a tyrant revive its colonising past.

Disappointingly, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier firmly adopted the cliched reforming-moderate versus the corrupted-revolutionary, to the extent that the script had to throw in pointless atrocities by the Flagsmashers to make them unsympathetic. Loki has a far more interesting take on a similar idea. For starters, Sylvie is far more sympathetic as a character and in terms of the script and the framing of the different choices facing Sylvie and Loki, the scales are less biased against Sylvie. Loki’s objection to killing He Who Remains isn’t a principled one nor is it the “you will become what you hate” cliche. If anything, it is Loki who is asking for time to consider the alternatives one of which is literally the two-Lokis taking on the Time Keeper role.

In so far as the show picks a side, it is with Hiddleston-Loki because he’s the main character. However, even that is counter-balanced by the dynamic between Mobius and Renslayer. Here Mobius, through force of circumstance, is on the side of we-can’t-carry-on-like-this and Renslayer is conceding that there’s something fundamentally wrong but still holds that the status-quo in principle must be right despite the lies, deaths and loss of freedom.

There is far more effort here to create a genuine dilemma. It is still an artifice of the plot and circumstance but it feels much less forced. Renslayer and Hiddleston-Loki positions are contrasting Renslayer’s principle and Loki’s pragmatism but the essence is still that of the moral in Hilaire Belloc’s satirical poem Jim: Who ran away from his Nurse and was eaten by a Lion:

“And always keep a-hold of Nurse
For fear of finding something worse.”

Whereas Sylvie is adopting more of the energy of the poem by a six-year-old that became very popular on Twitter a few years back:

“The tiger
He destroyed his cage
Yes
YES
The tiger is out”

Nael, Age 6 from They’re Singing a Song in their Rocket

Outside of the plot, there’s a broader reason why this episode doesn’t rush to support reform over revolution. We know multiverses are coming to the MCU and the premise of Loki is a show featuring an agency who role is to stop that happening, created (in part) as a back story as to why we haven’t had multiverses dropping into MCU films previously. Sylvie is the plot revolutionary but for the product-strategy she’s acting on order from the Mouse Who Remains 🙂.

So, not the best of the episodes but some meaty ideas. It didn’t stick a landing, as they say, but rather deferred the question to another series. I’m fine with that, particularly if we get an episode that’s just Mobius and Alligator-Loki going on a road-trip together. It doesn’t even have to move the plot along.


27 responses to “Loki doesn’t finish exactly (episode 6)”

  1. “Personalities with an anarchic (in a non-political sense) personality don’t necessarily skew towards anarchism as an ideology”
    When I DMed, I assumed that chaotic evil leaders prefer neutral or lawful underlings. It’s not that chaotic evil objects to rules, they just want to smash everyone else’s rules and lay down their own. That’s not a good quality for the lower ranks.

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  2. I think you nailed it in your review of Ep. 5, when you wrote that the show “rests more on charm, super actors and great visuals rather than big themes or narrative momentum”

    It’s a been a fun ride, the actors are wonderful, and the showrunners have thrown us lots of shiny fanservice, but after each episode, I wish the writing (and characters) were smarter.

    “He’s a liar”/”Maybe he’s telling the truth” — If only one of them had the power to get inside someone’s head and experience using that ability for interrogation. Sure, there are reasons it might not work, but better than acting as though they had no other way of validating his claims but their intuition.

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  3. No, I didn’t think it stuck the landing – but it became clearer and clearer in the closing stages that this wasn’t ever meant as a contained story which meant that it didn’t really need to. Introducing someone entirely new and untelegraphed would normally be a huge red flag, but I was surprised afterwards at how little this bothered me. (Hence, although I had been arguing for it to be a Loki, I can appreciate that would only really have worked if this had actually been a single mini-series. Same with who Mobius may or may not ‘really’ be.)

    Where it mainly went wrong for me was the TVA stuff with Mobius and Hunter-XX, especially the very effective side-trip moment with the ‘original’ Renslayer that then… just went nowhere? I guess it sort of set up a potential S2 but then the last shot basically wrenched all of that away completely, great though it was.

    The best part was how good the guy playing He Who Remains was. (I don’t know who the actor is, although that’s par for the course.) Even though an immense amount of this episode was his exposition setting up the new status quo for the MCU, it was riveting throughout. I genuinely look forward to seeing him again in the movies.

    In the end, even though I think they cheated the ending, I still adored the whole thing.

    Oh, and that’s three tv series in a row where the protagonist(s) have arguably ended in a darker place than they began. Even the movies don’t do that!

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      • Oh. That adds a whole new wrinkle to it, though. I mentioned Kang the Conqueror and the Council of Kangs before on this as an obvious parallel to the various versions of Loki teaming up, and if the same actor is playing He Who Remains here and Kang in the next Ant-Man film, that’s a pretty strong suggestion that the guy running the operation here is Kang, or a version thereof. Especially if he’s already been spending so much time dealing with himself in one form or another…

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  4. I thought episode 6 was dismal. Such a huge disappointment after all the interesting buildup. Imagine a quest where you finally reach the treasure chest and it contains a pamphlet. That’s what we got here. A half-hour of boring exposition with an uninteresting new character. No payoff for the character development of Loki and Sylvie.

    I haven’t been this disappointed in a finale since How I Met Your Mother (which will forever remain the most dismal final episode ever.)

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    • Well…I don’t know if anyone has read other reviews, but apparently

      SPOILER

      SPOILER

      SPOILER

      He Who Remains is Kang the Conqueror. (due to appear next, if I remember correctly, in Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania).

      Which is still kind of disappointing, as a show ostensibly about Loki has been used to help set up Marvel Phase 4, along with Dr. Strange and the Multiverse of Madness, and I suppose its own Season 2 as well (since obviously Loki and Sylvie are the only ones who are going to remember which timeline is the correct one).

      But I don’t personally think the ending was that bad.

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      • I bleed DC, not Marvel, so I don’t care about old character fan service. My satisfaction comes from well-written characters with recognizable human motivations. My favorite villain in all of the Marvel movies so far was Michael Keaton’s portrayal of the Vulture, while I thought the whole Thanos thing was dumb. Raising the stakes to universe-threatening levels doesn’t work for me because it’s all a bunch of made-up junk, and none of it feels earned. Black Widow reuniting her faux family and rescuing the other abducted women? That’s earned. The Vulture resentful of all the 1%ers stepping on his turf? That’s earned.

        Loki is designed as a mystery, and you don’t resolve mysteries by introducing a new character that no one has ever seen before. If the secret villain had been another Loki, or even Miss Minutes, that would have been much more satisfying. Even Timothy would have been better than smarmy Kang.

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      • I enjoyed it and I didn’t realise it was Kangaroo. Also, if that kind of segue into phase 4 is annoying then the after credits scene in Black Widow is worse🙂

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      • I thought:

        a) they announced at least a month ago there was going to be a season 2
        b) everyone figured it had to lead into the next Dr. Strange (what with that whole Multiverse thing)
        c) He Who Remains Kang the Conqueror was confirmed in Dr. Strange ages ago
        d) ALL the TV shows have been setting up Phase 4 — they’re collectively Phase 3.5

        So all the complaining is a big surprise to me, because it’s… what I already knew? And I don’t even follow the comic nerd sites.

        The only thing that really surprised me was Mobius etc. not knowing who Loki is. Did they not see him trying to destroy New York? Or was their Loki a variant who doesn’t look like Hiddleston?

        Also, now I have a reason to be annoyed by Ms. Minutes other than her perkiness. I am not at all surprised she turned out to be evil.

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      • I just perused the “Kang the Conqueror” WikiP page, and it really does say there:

        “The Spider-Ham reality contains a kangaroo named Kangaroo the Conqueror.

        (source is: Peter Porker, The Spectacular Spider-Ham, #15)

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  5. Firmly disagree. The three big questions raised in episode one were all answered. Just because those answers are pretty little bows that indicate live is an overly simplified story doesn’t mean they aren’t resolutions.

    I’ve railed on my blog before about people who expect resolutions to be SOLUTIONS. I never thought that Cam would be someone who didn’t understand that distinction.

    Still, love you, bro! And hope to see you for season two!

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  6. I liked it, even if it didn’t have the WTF of episode 4 or the fun of of 5. Yes, it was pretty heavy on explanation, which was not elegant (and the I know everything -part reminded me of the matrix sequels), but I preferred that to a CGI-battle with Mephisto or some Lostian sleight of hand. I think it’s a good point to end the season – their journey is over and now they have to figure out how to prevent Multiverse war. The right mixture between cliffhanger and resolution imho (I didn’t know that he was Kang, which is a nice surprise). Really liked the switching of timeline in the end. Didn’t see this coming, although it was somewhat logical.

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  7. Oh and the most interedting part: Of course *This* Kang says he is the best Kang. With infibite numbers of himself, there will be an infibite number of better versions. Like the ones that traded knowledge.

    So an obvious solution would be to find a better Kang and let him figure out way to stop the wars from hapoening, without a TVA.

    Also: Mirror universe Moebius?

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      • I think it’s clever because it allows for different enemies in different movies (all Kangs) with a possible endgame down the line. It allows to introduce Blade, Fanta 4 and even x-man without continuity issues and without putting them all in one universe, which would be too much. And time travel is always tricky and I can see it makes sense to avoid that (so they don’t have to explain why they don’t bring back Rogers or Iron man etc.)
        TBS I am not a consumer of the source material (I.e. the comics)

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  8. I predict many, many con-goers (when IRL cons happen) will have people carrying stuffed alligators with horns on.

    Particularly Comic-Con, while everyone wonders where the giant statue(s) are in the lobby.

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  9. The ending of the show was not only a set-up for Loki Season 2 but the whole Phase 4 of the Marvelverse. WandaVision and Falcon and Winter Soldier were also set up stories for Phase 4, though not as extensively as Loki. Unlike past Marvel t.v. series, even Agents of SHIELD, Loki is going to be moderately integrated to the movies.

    My daughter felt that Sylvie’s arc was rather rushed at this ending and I can see some agreement with that. But I did think that Sylvie’s actions made a great deal of sense with her past. Unlike Loki2012, she never got the chance to get into the whole Thor and ruling Asgard issues that he did. Not only is she a woman Loki but the things that motivate most of the other Loki variants were never part of her life and trauma. She has known what the TVA is doing since her childhood; she has been on the run, hunted by them her whole life. To her, chaos and freedom are what needs to happen so that neither she nor anyone else ever suffers from the TVA as she had. It is her glorious purpose, rather than conquering and power.

    Loki2012, having only known about the TVA for a little while and having a very different life from Sylvie, is focused on his own healing from pride, anger and loss. He admires Sylvie in large part because she is a Loki who is not focused on conquering and power, but on justice and freedom. He wants her to feel safe, to no longer be ruled by anger and fear, to heal and be okay along with him. And so he tells her that he essentially wants her to step back and think about what will make her whole. But for Sylvie, he’s asking her to become the head of the concentration camp and let Hitler go. It doesn’t matter if the other Kang variants are even worse. What matters is destroying the control and apparatus of the TVA whom she sees — rightly — as torturers of countless little girls.

    So while it was a bit of flashy melodrama, it made perfect sense with the character arcs of the two Lokis. They’re all the god of mischief and chaos but they don’t have the same goals and views of the universe. Loki2012 did not fall in love with himself. He fell in love with someone who has similar powers but was shaped entirely differently from himself into another person. So overall I enjoyed that and the situation that Loki2012 is facing at the end. (It seems like possibly the Loki in that universe may have died off young.)

    And of course Jonathan was wonderful. He is the Immortis variant of Kang here in Loki, which I also did not know and had to look up, but very much in keeping with the comics. He then will play the main Kang in Ant-Man and pop up in who knows where other Marvel films and shows. If we can’t have Lovecraft Country, at least we get Jonathan regularly appearing in the Marvelverse.

    Also rather interesting — another variant of Kang, a teen, becomes Iron Lad and starts the Young Avengers to fight Kang. This is yet again another Young Avengers connection possibly and seems to indicate that there will be some sort of Young Avengers team up. My daughter is a big fan of the Young Avengers but is apprehensive that Marvel will jettison a lot of the queer material from it. So it was nice at least that they made Loki openly bisexual in the show, and Marvel claims they are going to have more queer characters so Young Avengers might be part of that if they do it.

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