Could Star Trek do a series like Andor?

Sure, why not? After all, it wasn’t obvious until Andor had been going for a few episodes that Star Wars could do a series like Andor. The world is full of surprises. If somebody wanted to do a series very specifically like Andor, that followed a character as they are radicalised into a liberation struggle whose outcome we already know, then the planet of Bajor is just sitting there waiting for a gritty spy/revolution prequel show. I’d watch that or at least give it a go.

On the other hand, a grounded Star Trek series is also not very Star Trek. As discussed in yesterday’s post, Star Trek in it’s multiple forms is a series about Starfleet. The world/galaxy building is actually very mutable and the consistent elements are not so much the shared history of events but Starfleet. The galaxy in which various crews have their adventures is both more and less realistic than that of Star Wars. More realistic in that obviously, a whole galaxy doesn’t have one shared historical narrative — there are multiple polities with their own histories and events. Less realistic in that galaxy is really just a backdrop for the starship du-jour to have wacky space adventures or almost any kind from fighting space gods to time travel to not actually time travel but still meeting Abraham Lincoln or getting stuck in the gunfight at the OK Corral.

Star Wars comes with magical space knights and evil space wizards but there’s enough surrounding them that a series in which they are pushed into the background can still work. Andor pushed them further into the background than The Mandalorian. Still, both series could use shared aesthetic elements (worn down, lived-in technology, sassy robots, space nazis) that you can watch a short clip and recognise both as Star Wars shows. Step away from Starfleet and we see that Star Trek doesn’t have that same consistency — that’s not a flaw in its worldbuilding, that’s broadly a strength because it’s a big galaxy with a lot of inherent variety. However, that size and variety imply that going on beyond the Starfleet stories we actually see all sorts of planets and societies and possibly whole wars between empires. A series set of a random planet in the Alpha Quadrant isn’t really a Star Trek show unless Starfleet shows up.

Of course, a show can have Starfleet in it without it being in which the main characters are Starfleet. A show in which the main characters are at odds with Starfleet is something that could work and still be recognisably a Star Trek show.

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18 responses to “Could Star Trek do a series like Andor?”

    • I am on the Pro-DS9 site, but I don’t think we will move so far as Cam sugest, main characters not (quite) beeing Star Trek reminds me of Prodigy, but I think if it is called Star Trek the federation should be involved.

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          • Yes! All the espionage and plots within plots, a thriller plus action galore. Plenty of room for double agents/turncoats (which we had a bit of in S1 Disco, with Michael’s boyfriend), occasional spaceships, and all the alien races coming through the space station with their own agendas.

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  1. So here’s one idea for the central struggle. Taking down Section 31. They’ve got it coming. And I think they’re better as shadowy bad guys than they are centre stage. That way you could do Starfleet characters and have them at odds with parts of Starfleet.

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  2. A civilian version of Star Trek could be interesting. What does the Federation’s social work on ex-Nazi planet, Miri’s planet, ex-gangster planet or Val’s planet look like? There would be Star Fleet in the background to one extent or another, but a season with the Truth and Reconciliation Tribunal on the ex-Nazi world, or one with the the educational service on Miri’s world (with teachers in their 30s and 40s teaching “children” who are physically 16, but with several hundred years of memories could be really fascinating.

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    • Heh. There was actually some reference to that when Peter David was doing the Star Trek comic book back in late-80s/early-90s. There was a whole arc of ‘The Trial of James T. Kirk’ where Kirk was basically court-martialled for various violations of the Prime Directive. This included the prosecution bringing in someone from the ex-gangster planet who had brought with him Kirk’s ‘piece of the action’ in payment.

      “It’s like all of Captain Kirk’s most embarrassing moments come back to haunt him. I keep expecting somebody to throw a tribble at him.”

      But yes, that’s actually an interesting idea… do something more along the lines of a ‘Lower Decks’ show but with the poor diplomats who have to go in and clean things up after the Enterprise has been around and broken the previous social system.

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      • Reminds me a little of Damage Control, Dwayne McDuffie’s series about the company that clears crashed spaceships and radioactive elements off people’s property after superhero battles. Wonderful stuff.

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  3. If you wanted to examine and break down the philosophy behind Starfleet (referring back to your earlier post re: its militaristic/sort of fascist elements) the Section 31 show would be the way to go–especially if they get Michelle Yeoh back!–but it would take the quality of writers behind Andor (particularly Beau Willimon, who wrote “One Way Out”) to pull it off.

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  4. I think they were planning to get Andor-like with the Section 31 show which seems to have finally died off in plans. It would be fairly easy to make a show in the future timeline of Discovery, before Discovery arrives, when Starfleet is a tiny operating force trying to rebuild the Federation far away from Earth and there are slave empires operating in the disconnected galaxy. You could have a character like Booker who leads rebellion and then makes a privateering deal with the struggling Starfleet. Throw in a disgraced, frustrated former Starfleet officer who becomes the lead’s number one or something.

    You can also go back in time to the Star Trek: Enterprise era, when Earth is still recovering from its wars and trying to enter the vaster universe shown to it by the Vulcans. There are lots of pockets and eras Star Trek can go. But the fundamental centers of the two franchises are different. Star Wars is about a dictatorial empire taking over a Federation like republic and the fight against them, even after the rebels re-take a lot of the galaxy back. Star Trek is about dictatorial empires already being defeated and a strong republic exploring more of the universe. Rebellion, exploration, two different central themes. That’s why Star Trek is about spaceships and Starfleet — it’s chiefly about exploration, not the struggle against imperialism. When people talk about something being Trek, that’s usually what they mean — the sense of wonder and discovery from exploration, to go to new worlds, etc.

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  5. Star Trek is Star Trek because it is optimistic. And let’s face it, a fantasy in which the ideal government is modeled on the Roman Empire is . . . not. Is it the Emperor in charge or the Princess? What’s the diff?

    Well, that was Star Trek until J. J. Abrams showed up. When J. J. Abrams comes around, Hollywood should turn off the lights and pretend they aren’t home.

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  6. There’s nothing stopping creators from choosing some corner or niche of the Trek universe and finding a story to tell there; the question (to me) is what stories would feel in-sync with Trek, as a series, as opposed to using just as backdrop or a jumping board for building more Deep Lore.

    Like, we could have an epic series about a trio of Trills meeting and re-meeting in a variety of constellations and evolutions across the ages; but that wouldn’t necessarily be of interest to the Trek audience, and there’d be better ways to do a similar story without leaning on Trek specifically.

    “Star Trek is about Starfleet” makes a lot of sense to me. It feels like it’ll have some exceptions, but it feels like a good rule of thumb — it’s about the institution, not the particulars; and it’s about *being* the institution, the authority, and all its complexities.

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    • DC’s Bronze Age backup strip “World of Krypton” had this problem. Instead of stories that felt Kryptonian or related to known details of Krypton’s history they’d just do “Shakespearian tragedy … set on Krypton!” or “sword and sandal adventure … set on Krypton!”

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  7. I personally want this as a double-feature series with “Crow and Kin”. I mean, C&K will always be the better one, but sometimes a little SF action/espionage hits the spot too.

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