Firefly Friday (first impressions)

Of the many TV shows that have spawned active fandoms, there’s none quite so ephemeral in its root substance as Joss Whedon’s 2002 sci-fi Western Firefly. While I did see the spin-off movie Serenity, it is a show that I have never watched the series until now. The film didn’t really stick with me and until recently I never had easy access to the series.

What I knew in advance was the popularity with a set of die-hard fans and a broader consensus that the show had aged badly. The reputation of Joss Whedon himself has rapidly eroded over recent years as well. What I do have is a Star Trek: Discovery sized hole in my TV watching and access to a streaming service that has its own flawed but famous space opera show sitting right there.

So buckle up and let’s go straight into the pilot…and Wikipedia tells me the pilot was shown as the final episode? Which…OK, I get that 2002 was not the high point of story-arc based TV shows but that seems particularly absurd. The idea of a first episode that introduces the characters and the set-up was very far from a new idea by 2002.

And…we are more or less straight into one of the biggest criticism I’ve seen of the show. Its attempt to blend a Western with Space Opera involves the main character being a survivor of the Civil War…and on the losing side. Was 2002 really so long ago? Checks calendar…oh, shit, yes 2002 was a long time ago. A Firefly revival now would be similar to the elapsed time between the original Star Trek and Star Trek: TNG. Even so, a de-racialised version of the US Civil War in which the quasi-libertarian mythological version (states rights!) is the reality is a very weird fantasy to attach to a TV show. Still…2002…that was a time when trendy people on the internet unironically liked Ron Paul.

Putting US political pop culture aside for a moment, this show feels really old just generally. Except for the space CGI, which has nice touches and clearly looks post-Babylon 5. It all feels oddly small, which I guess is partly the set design and probably money. I quite like the grungey cobbled-together element of the Serenity’s interior (particularly the wooden chairs and tables) but I don’t really get a feel that this inside is somehow inside the spaceship. The mechanics of having a set big enough for people and cameras to move around also makes the set feel like people are purposefully stuck in corners of a bigger space.

On planet…again, there’s a clever choice for a cheap production to go with a run-down, falling apart sort of universe. However, there’s that same odd feeling of crampedness that is a mismatch with the ambitious scale of the show. While I’m moaning about the sets, once we get to the inside of the Alliance ship…ugh… it’s starting to feel like 80’s Doctor Who.

And lots of things here with the script, the direction and the dialogue feels…not quite right. Lines fall flat, the snappy dialogue doesn’t quite snap. If I didn’t know better then I’d have guessed this was the director’s first show.

OK enough moaning. What’s right about this? The cast. They aren’t getting their best shot here but once we get past the war intro, you get a series of characters with obvious presence. Fillon, Torres, Tudyk, Baccarin, Staite and Ron Glass all command attention and give a sense of a show where multiple actors can carry the plot and where interpersonal dynamics will play an important part. I know Adam Baldwin mainly from his GamerGate reputation and his character appears to be pretty much the same character he played in that as well: a not so bright arsehole. For some reason, the rest of the characters haven’t chucked him off the ship, which again feels like the universe of 2002.

The plot itself is sub-criminal shenanigans as the plucky crew try to make their way the only way they know-how on the good ship General Lee, sorry Serenity. OK, the casual Confederacy-love isn’t quite Dukes of Hazzard bad but surely, surely even in 2002 somebody could look at it and think…maybe this is a bit of a problem. It’s almost like a weird kind of cultural appropriation, except appropriating something toxic. I do feel transported back to the internet of 2002 though.

I said at the start that I don’t recall much about the film Serenity but lots is coming back now and basically, the film is a direct sequel to the pilot? I guess that makes sense if most of the first and only series is going to be the heist of the week and the plot arc that I now see is set up in the pilot needs a resolution by the end.

I do like the causal integration of Chinese and Asian elements into the future culture. Odd there are no Asian characters, which now that I look that up is the other “things that aged really badly with Firefly”. I probably shouldn’t have looked that up because going off the pilot alone, it looks like a minor misstep in one episode but looking at the main cast for the whole series it is just baffling. Whedon imagines a future society in which people routinely use chopsticks and Chinese terms are a common part of everybody’s dialogue but not Chinese people?

Well, sorry. I didn’t get into the plot much. I didn’t talk about the Reavers and to be honest, they are worrying me. This was such a very, very odd bit of TV. Lots of brilliance but really oddly directed and full of strange, strange choices. Mashing up Westerns and space opera? Nice choice, particularly if you want cheap sets. Spaceship CGI? Nice, particularly some of the in-atmosphere shots and the occasional slightly out of focus artifice to make it feel like oh-gosh-this-is-live-footage. Everything else? I feel like I found a time capsule in which the culture clash I felt being online in 2002 has been distilled into an essence.

And yet…the Whedon trick here is to LIKE the people who he’s asking you to spend time with and give an ensemble enough space to make being with them interesting. There are so many big red flags here to toss this show out of the airlock but, hell, I want to see Alan Tudyk play with dinosaurs again.


79 responses to “Firefly Friday (first impressions)”

  1. Just Nine good ol’ Rebs
    Never meaning no harm
    Beats all you never saw,
    Been in trouble with the law
    Since the day they were born

    Straightenin’ the spaces
    Flattenin’ the roids
    Someday the void might get ’em
    Bur the law never will

    I recall an interview back when when Whedon said he imagined there were planets full of Chinese who speak Chinese and swear in English…but we never *see* it.

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    • Yeah, that was a lot like Rowling saying the charcater in the back is gay or black or whatever, based on a single word in throwaway line (or not even that, just straight out claiming it years later, that she always thought of X as Y). Show, dont tell.

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    • There’s a song about the lack of Asian representation in movies and TV by Maurissa Tanchaeron.

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      • In the commentary musical attached to Dr Horrible’s Sing-Along Blog (the musical), also a Whedon product… once you realise just how much the people to whom she’s DOING this song, and who are filming it are the perpetuators of the very thing it’s criticizing, it seems a lot more sharp than funny, and yet a lot more pointless. Whedon’s self aware enough to notice and to deliberately film his sister in law when she calls it out …. but not like, do anything else about it.

        It’s like the big criticism of Justin Trudeau; he goes and joins marches or gets seen at rallies for causes saying “Isn’t it a pity nobody has fixed this?” when it’s literally HIS GOVERNMENT WHO COULD FIX IT.

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  2. I like the show but I think most of the criticisms made over the years are fair. I suspect that watching it now when there’s so much more space adventure available makes a difference — it was a lot more novel back then. Though I had trouble with the space Western aesthetic. Horses don’t make sense in space (donkeys would be more logical) and I can’t buy the logic of everyone on a frontier planet dressing like the Old West. Sometimes it got too Western for me — “Heart of Gold” is like they took an old Kung Fu episode (“Night of the Owl, Day of the Doves”) and reworked it for Firefly.
    That said, I never felt the message here was “the Confederacy was right” so that aspect didn’t bother me much.
    Fox executives chopped up the order. I’ve read they wanted to start off with something heavy on the action and they didn’t think the audience would care about anything else, so … Like you I was instantly turned off. Didn’t really get into it until I watched it in order on DVD.
    I enjoy Jayne but there’s one episode where he does backstab the crew and Mal doesn’t kill him. That felt very “we can’t get rid of him he’s part of the cast.”
    I crushed hard on Kaylee.

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    • Same, I liked the show and there are some really good epsiodes in it imho. The cast just works great together and thats what makes the show shine. I also watched the movie before the show, but I liked it more – enough to check out the show.

      Cowboy Bebop has a similar riff on Western and SF (although with a heavy dose crime noir as well), but much more updated (but also more violent). Note that I only have watched the life action show, not the original anime (but its obvious that the first episodes are trying to emulate the original more and the later finding their own voices better. But I disgress). It might be interesting to follow up on Forefly with Coyboy Bebop for this reason.

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    • I enjoyed it. It was on free-to-air television in New Zealand but there was no publicity & it was played late on a weeknight so I didn’t get to see it properly until I got the DVD. The best part are the character interactions. (The lack of Chinese representation in a setting where half the people in the setting are Chinese? That was not great.)

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  3. I liked the show when it was on, but I thought there were some gaps on the logic, even back then. Jayne, for instance, was too stupid to take Mal giving him a last chance as anything ot

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  4. “A de-racialised version of the US Civil War in which the quasi-libertarian mythological version (states rights!) is the reality is a very weird fantasy to attach to a TV show“. Unless the cast and creatives are white? Easy to find the Lost Cause romantic if you have no skin in the game. I haven’t seen Firefly and don’t plan to, so I don’t know.

    Little as I now think of Whedon, I’m still a big fan of the Much Ado that he shot in his home after completing principal photography of The Avengers, with heavy assistance from the wife he was pretty actively betraying throughout. Fillion played one of the few funny Dogberrys I’ve seen, the Beatrice was wonderful and it’s a very strong production in general.

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    • I did note the very obvious parallels to the US Civil War at the time and thought, “No one but Whedon [who was probably at the peak of his popularity at the time and even mild criticism of him was vehemently repudiated] could get away with making a science fiction series set during the aftermath of a US Civil War equivalent in space and making the main protagonist basically a Confederate ex-officer.”

      That said, I still like Firefly, though it is very obviously an older SFF show.

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    • I’d forgotten about his version of Much Ado! We saw that at TIFF one of the few times I’ve bothered to go. Whedon and some of the cast stood up afterwards and answered questions.

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    • One of the two ex Quasi-Confederates is a black woman. Pretty sure Whedon could do that just so he could create a quasi-Confederate background and argue it really wasn’t about anything but “personal liberty”. Not sure what Torres herself thought of the choice, though.

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  5. I hope you keep watching it. As you say, many things about it have not aged well but the cast is just glorious. There’s not a big overarching arc, really. The movie kind of took care of where some of it was supposed to go, as there are only 13 episodes in all. I love the show so much despite its flaws.

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    • I originally didn’t see the series when it aired, because I thought an “SF Western” sounded stupid. I finally saw it when I was at a Darkfriends weekend social and it had recently come out on DVD, so my first watch was in the correct episode order (and with a bunch of die-hard fans). I was shocked when I found out the actual airing sequence, which was just flat-up sabotage by Fox. No wonder the series was cancelled.

      I did a full re-watch of the series and movie at the beginning of September this year. It’s been several years since I did a re-watch (and I’ve done several of them in the last 15 years), but I was really surprised by how much I’d forgotten.

      I noticed the creepy Confederacy aspect early on, and my reaction was kind of like “but wait… are the Browncoats really the good guys?” Of course the Alliance characters were always just massive assholes but the Alliance itself didn’t sound that bad, they had socialized medicine.

      The misogyny in the Mal-Inara relationship always upset me and still does, as does the whiteness of the series. But I still love the whole package, it’s one of of my “problematic faves”.

      This was the first time I had seen Christina Hendricks in anything, and I know she’s considered a great actress, but for some reason I just absolutely can’t stand her.

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      • Well, I figured out why I can’t stand Christina Hendricks. It’s her stage voice I hate.

        I just watched this episode where she was on Colbert’s show, and she seems lovely.

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      • Oh, I just found that Colbert performance in Company, which he and Hendricks discussed in the episode I linked above.

        I’m really impressed. It’s a really different side of Colbert.

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        • He sings pretty often on the show. Filk/MAD Magazine type stuff in the monologue. Even Sondheim praised him, esp. for not being a trained singer.

          When Sondheim said you’re good, that is the highest praise possible.

          ———————–

          I have a friend from high school who is a trained singer, been on Broadway etc. Once someone raised an eyebrow at someone from my school being that good.

          I said “Leonard Bernstein thought he was great, so…”

          “Oh. Um. OK.”

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  6. I’ll agree that the problems exist, but I think they are partially (but only partially) understandable,

    The Confederacy element was in some important Westerns, and maybe Whedon thought that a fictional parallel that didn’t include the problematic elements would fly. It doesn’t really because the connection is still there, but I can see o Whedon might have thought otherwise,

    I’ve seen it suggested that the Tams were intended to be Asian, until casting (it happens).. Which would have been an improvement, but the shortage of Asian characters is still very strange.

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  7. I have friends who are pretty diehard browncoats and who were at me to watch it for years. As you note, it’s been pretty hard to get hold of until recently in Australia, but they had the movie on free to air TV a few years ago. I watched that and thought ‘I can kind of see what all the fuss is about’, but also felt that the movie wrapped up enough of the story and characters arcs that I didn’t feel any great urge to watch the series. I suspect if I tried now I would not be able to see past its flaws, especially those that reflect what has since become known about Joss Whedon.

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    • I saw Serenity, with my only knowledge of Firefly being through osmosis (online and in person). If you’d asked me if Serenity was a prequel or sequel, I would genuinely not have been able to answer (and felt, at the time, that I could’ve argued it both ways). It is most probably excellent if you’re already a fan, though.

      It left me with no urge to watch the TV series, but I quite liked the board game…

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  8. Science fiction is well populated with “comfort women” in various contexts, from Niven’s Ringworld or earlier, to Snowpiercer. Male equivalents don’t come readily to mind; school guidance counselors clearly haven’t thought it a suitable career choice for the fellas. xD

    The Tams read as East Asian to me, so the non-Asiatic actors created some cognitive dissonance. Maybe not to the same degree as David Carradine in Kung Fu, but still.

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    • Sex work will likely always be with us – it is not called “the oldest profession” for nothing – though relatively modern works should acknowledge that there will be sex workers of all genders.

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      • Reading Day of the Triffids earlier this year, I was struck that the post-triffid survivors’ regime requires men to work if they want to eat; women have to agree to be breeders. This was presented as the logical approach. Despite which I really liked the book.
        There’s also an Outer Limits episode, “Keeper of the Purple Twilight,” where the aliens’ totally rational society requires women to produce children or die — what other purpose could they have? It makes me appreciate what an outlier Vulcans were as an emotionless race (i.e., not cruel monsters).

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  9. “basically, the film is a direct sequel to the pilot?”

    No – the movie is an unspecified amount of time after the end of the series. For several reasons that will be clear if you rewatch the movie, none of the episodes can happen after it, except that it does have one flashback that takes place before the pilot.

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  10. Oddly, I think the series works totally fine if you skip the pilot and just go right into the first episode that was shown, but yes Fox did jerk around a whole bunch of the episodes.

    But otherwise, yes you nailed a lot of the problems here. It’s very charming and the actors are great, which is what saves it, although honestly I haven’t watched this in ages.

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    • I remember seeing the first on-air showing. I thought I had figured out all of the archetype characters and was ready to drop the show… until the last few minutes, where Mal did something terrible and pragmatic with a turbine.

      The characters are beloved; the setting doesn’t make much sense. The plots are disposable and the dialogue is witty. That’s all.

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      • In fairness settings that don’t make sense are only a problem if I don’t like the story. With Firefly it’s more “well, that makes no sense, but it’s fun …” Much the same with superhero comics.

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        • Yeah, for me Firefly falls into the same category as some of the SFF books I read: if you’re willing (and able) to just roll with the improbable premise, they can be really fun or enjoyable.

          I’ve found that my willing suspension of disbelief has some limits, but if a work can hit several of my sweet spots, as Firefly did, then I am usually able to say, “Ah, what the hell… entertain me!”

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  11. I spent years handing out on soc.history.what-if (an effectively defunct newsgroup) and because it was infested with Lost Causers and worse, it was painfully obvious that Whedon’s Bat Durston was the sort with a white-washed confederacy.

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  12. I can remember some talk at the time about the Traveller RPG as an acknowledged influence, which makes me wonder if thd Reavers were borrowed from Hard Times setting/supplement. Though I suppose they’re hardly a new and unique concept – they don’t have XR have been borrowed from anywhere.

    The confederate thing bothered me at the time, but I think what really kept me from getting into the series was that Mr Captain Guy was written as one of those manipulative types who set off my fight-or-flight reflex

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  13. Back when I watched this I connected the civil war here more with all the other civil wars in SF – Star Wars, The Expanse, etc. In particular I saw parallells to the storyline of StarCraft II which I played at around the same time, wth Raynor as a parallell to Mal.

    I liked it, but much of it requires a healthy dose of suspension of disbelief, for example the tech level mixup of horses being used alongside levitating tech.

    “The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet” is in many ways Firefly fan-fic, but handles the core element of a mashed-together crew much better.

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    • I mean, there’s a perfectly simple way to justify that sort of schizo-tech: the levitating tech was brought in from off-planet, but there isn’t the on-planet infrastructure to even repair it, much less build it, so for the most part people make do with what they have the infrastructure to support. The higher-tech stuff gets used when it’s available, and usually in ways that’s less likely to break it as it gets handed down over the generations. It’s probably going to end up at the core of various family feuds over the generations.

      Now, this has other story implications, of course.

      While we were talking anime above, Trigun (also a ‘space western’) did this pretty explicitly as you got deeper into it. The power generators were irreplaceable mystery tech that nobody living on the planet really understood; the colony ship that had brought them to the planet was mostly inaccessible, and with it most of the actual useful repair tools; and as a result towns were pretty much built around the generators and tended them as carefully as they could.

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      • In the episode I can remember that had a hover-vehicle but also horses, plus a laser gun but also firearms, the in-story explanation was that the vehicle and the laser were the personal playthings of the one guy in town who had 99% of the money.

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  14. Similar to frasersherman, the civil war aspect didn’t bother me at the time and I never got a “confederacy was right” feeling either. But revisiting it recently, Mal’s not just a disposed ex-solider from the losing side, like Inman from Cold Mountain, he’s a true believer.

    With that said, I thought the episode “Out of Gas” was the best Sci-Fi television I had seen to date and still ranks in my top 10. You have to already be invested in the characters to enjoy it though.

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    • “Out of Gas” was my favorite episode, too. It’s one of the most effective uses of flashbacks I’ve ever seen.

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      • That’s funny, because if I remember correctly that’s one of the episodes where I noticed the show’s weaknesses most.

        Yes, there are ways in which the storytelling is good TV, but for me the underlying premise of the tech problem they’re in simply doesn’t make sense at all. And that overshadowed the rest for me.

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    • Mal’s home colony was burned to bedrock and rendered uninhabitable by orbital bombardment. That’s the sort of thing that generates believers.

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  15. Interesting. I never saw a Confederacy angle. I always thought it was a libertarian fight against a fascist government type of vibe. It’s one of my favorite series, despite all the usual Whedon tics.

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    • A lot of the Confederacy angle is provided by the context – in a Western, the soldier of the defeated power wandering the desert/plains/mountains is a Confederate, in a Western in space…

      It’s made even more unfortunate by the fact that decades of American anti-civil rights pioneers have claimed the mantle of “Libertarian.” No idea if Whedon was really aware of all this, but it’s easy to play with Western tropes while ignoring the implications of that context for Black, Native, and Hispanic people (presumably Book was not at some point enslaved?), and, of course, women

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      • I love the Taylor Kirsch John Carter from 2012 but playing him, as Burroughs wrote him, as a Confederate soldier, was unsettling. I think if they ever adapt “Princess of Mars” again, it’d have to be as a Southern “lemme alone” or something of the sort.

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    • The Revolutionary War looms large in US mythology and blurs together with all kinds of other things… so we have lots of fiction where the scrappy colonists are rebelling against the uptight, wealthy, better-equipped Old World empire. The former Confederacy appropriated that theme for their own Civil War mythology, even though they were obviously wealthy established governments rather than colonies of the North, by emphasizing how the North was more industrialized and how the federal government was allegedly imposing its will on the South. And pioneer/Western mythology muddied the waters even more, because some of the western expansion was by pro-slavery groups and some by the opposite, but they all liked to talk about the established Eastern states as if those were the British. And all through the 20th century, right-wing reactionaries everywhere in the country drew heavily on all of that. So even if it’s not a literal analogy that makes sense in the story, the baggage is inevitable.

      I feel like Whedon may have thought he was just doing a typical Revolutionary War riff, but the Civil War baggage is strong because the backstory describes the villains as an Alliance – not unlike a Union – of fellow colonists, rather than them being Earth. And also because the Western genre so often features veterans of the Civil War.

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      • As I recall, Whedon’s inspiration was a book about the American Civil War*, which leads me to speculate the apparent hat tips to the ACW and aftermath may not be entirely coincidental.

        There are parallels between the ARW and Slaver’s Rebellion, not least of which the fact that slavers were important rebels in both. This is why at one point in the ARW one of the things the rebels demanded from the British was the surrender of African British soldiers, who were then — of course — enslaved by the Americans.

        * For some reason, there’s a real shortage of roundheads vs cavaliers IN SPACE in SF.

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        • //For some reason, there’s a real shortage of roundheads vs cavaliers IN SPACE in SF.//

          That’s a shame because there are much better ambiguities about “the good guys” with that one. However, SFF’s general fondness for monarchies mean a story would probably side with the Royalists rather than the proto-fascist/puritan/progressive alliance with neat uniforms.

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          • The Stuarts are Britain’s answer to the Song, in that the question isn’t how did they fall but why did it take so long?

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          • Case in point – A Midsummer Tempest

            Case in opposition – the 1632-verse takes a negative view on Charles I and a positive one on Cromwell.

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          • Clifford Beal’s “Gideon’s Angel” splits the difference — exiled Roundhead has to save Cromwell from Satanist dupes (the Fifth Monarchy Men). Very enjoyable.

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        • “ one of the things the rebels demanded from the British was the surrender of African British soldiers, who were then — of course — enslaved by the Americans”
          Or re-enslaved. The British offered freedom to any American enslaved people who fought on their side, and even kept some of their promises to them (sort of).

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  16. I grew up in the South in the 1960s/70s, haunted by the ghost of the Confederacy. I knew living relatives whose fathers fought in the war. But I think it’s a stretch to see Firefly as in any way glorifying the “Lost Cause.”

    First, my impression was that this was a bone fide rebellion; they weren’t trying to secede; they were trying to overthrow an authoritarian dictatorship. Second, their motive wasn’t to preserve slavery; they really were seeking their own freedom. I never saw the connection until just now, reading Cam’s post.

    I’m aware of the motif of the ex-Confederate soldier wandering around the Old West, and I guess you can’t really have an SF Western without doing something with that, but, if that’s the case, I’d say Wheadon replaced the US Civil War with a more wholesome conflict.

    Maybe I’m too well-informed about the real Confederacy, but, for whatever reason, I really don’t see it in Firefly.

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      • That was a general white consensus a century ago, according to David Blight’s “Race and Reunion.” Basically both sides found thinking of the war as a terrible mistake, a nation divided over something or other, all the brothers were valiant was easier than dealing with the racial aspect. Which is not to say the South hasn’t clung to that delusion viciously ever since.

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      • Oh, we had crackpots like that when I was a kid too, but I cross-checked with some of my elementary-school friends, and we all agreed that even as children attending segregated schools, we were taught that the war was fought over slavery. The whole “State’s Rights” thing was more-or-less a joke. You heard it from people who insisted on calling it “The War Between the States.” (Or even “The War of Northern Aggression.”) But, again, that was something you chuckled at–not something you took seriously.

        It’s possible that 50 years before that (so 100 years before now) people were more serious about it. Ironically, it seems to stem from them being ashamed of slavery. The people who fought the war for the South knew it was about slavery, but their descendants 50 years later were anxious to hide that fact.

        I see your point but part of the modern pro-Confederacy also present the civil war as somehow not about slavery but something more like a bona fide rebellion for state’s rights.

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  17. Since nobody else has mentioned it, isn’t there a line in the pilot episode relating to how the bar fight at the beginning began, that makes it clear that the Alliance had and still has slavery? So it’s a version of the Civil War which doesn’t just adopt the romanticised abstract “states rights” defence of it, but explicitly makes the Union the slavers!

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        • Here’s a different way to look at it: authors often take their inspiration for a character from someone they knew in life. That doesn’t mean that the character in their story is meant to represent the real person. For example, the character in the story might commit some crime, but the author isn’t trying to imply that the person who inspired that character was likely to do so.

          I would say, then, that the show was inspired by US Westerns, which included an element of ex-Confederate soldiers, but it’s not meant to represent the real Confederacy in any way nor to make any sort of statement about it.

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