So popcorn consumption continues but a bit one sided. Over at Vox Day’s house the Trump triumphalism (trumphalism?) continues, only disturbed by the meltdown at Brietbart.
Meanwhile at Accordin to Hoyt, Kate Paulk has a guest post lamenting Godwin’s Law:
If I could eliminate one thing about the Internet, it would be Godwin’s law. Why? It’s made it next to impossible to make actual comparisons about what is probably the best documented instance of the rise of a populist dictator. The instant the magic words come out, any semblance of rational discussion gets defenestrated and the next thing you know people are shouting past each other and the whole thing dies. http://accordingtohoyt.com/2016/03/16/down-with-godwin-kate-paulk/
While I have some sympathy, after all sometimes an analogy to the Nazis is apt in discussion, the internet does tend to overwrought and poorly thought through comparisons with nazis.
Kate Paulk has, herself, made some rather silly nazi comparisons herself. For example:
It’s a shame this year’s hosts showed all the restraint of a Nazi rally along with the morals of a Soviet show trial and the taste and discernment of a cat in heat. And I’m not talking about the votes. http://madgeniusclub.com/2015/08/27/yet-another-post-hugo-post/
and later in the same post…
And what’s even sadder is this pathetic collection of power-hungry little Hitlers have destroyed what was once a genuinely respected award. Whether it can be resurrected by the Campaign to End Puppy-Related Sadness or not, I consider the cause to be worthy.
And then again in a later post:
And yet, when I pointed out that our dear anti-Puppy friends were behaving like the Nazis did, complete with examples and quotes, I was horrible, just absolutely horrible. http://madgeniusclub.com/2015/11/12/of-the-evil-of-puppies/
Referring back to the other post. In both cases the nazis were brought out for comparison because people cheered when No Award won at the Hugo ceremony.
Godwin’s law as a kind of internet community rule in preventing discussions becoming derailed by silly comparisons like those, is a valuable bit of social pressure. In this latest post from Paulk, the problem with having made silly Nazi-comparisons in the post becomes clearer. She now wants to address the real issue of the rise of Donald Trump and wants to bring out the N word.
She is a bit more circumspect and doesn’t mention Vox Day as an example but the thrust of the message is clear and not completely off the wall: Trump and his supporters are not unlike the Nazis (she also makes some comparisons with Sanders).
Going back in time, when the shoe was on the other foot Kate Paulk had different views about other people making comparisons with Nazis:
For starters, the Evil Legion of Evil is not Nazi, neo or otherwise. As if we’d associate ourselves with those losers. Seriously, how can an Evil organization expect to be taken seriously if it models itself after a political ideology that started by kicking out some of the most competent people in the country, and went on to our world’s version of “Never start a land war in Asia”, invading Russia. http://madgeniusclub.com/2015/06/11/attack-of-the-infinite-stupid/
The Evil Legion of Evil includes Vox Day of course and the quote she wasn’t getting offended about referred to the Vox Day’s Rabid Puppies as being neo-Nazis and not the Sad Puppies.
Now, because of the Trump ascendancy within the GOP, comparison of Trump supporters (and in particular Vox Day) are becoming more common among Sad Puppy places. Of course, in their defense, things have changed and it is a virtue not a vice to change ones mind in the light of new evidence. However, it is worth considering whether there is any new information.
Yes the rise of Donald Trump is scary and unprecedented but:
- Vox Day’s views haven’t changed and he wasn’t making any secret of his extreme racial ideology last year or the year before. His contempt for *conservatives* has arguably become clearer but given his views it is hardly unexpected.
- Vox Day’s views are MORE ideologically extreme than what we know of Trump’s views. Yes, Trump is scarier because he may gain actual political power but in terms of ideology, Vox’s positions are unabashed claims of racial superiority.
Yet, it is only now that various Sad Puppies begin to see Vox as beyond the pale. There was a term during the post-war Red Scares in the US that a suspected communist sympathizer was ‘prematurely anti-fascist’ i.e. was opposed to fascism too vocally and too early when apparently respectable people were still acting like it was just a tad vulgar. It would seem that those of us pointing out how appalling Vox Day’s views are were prematurely anti-Vox…