Debarkle Chapter 59: Meanwhile…Trump, Puppies and Pizza

“You ignorant low information bastards. Motivated by fear and anger, you overlooked every gain made over the last few cycles, and traded it in to a lying huckster democrat for some magic beans. So you could stick it to the establishment, by electing the shit bird who funded them.”

May 2016: what had been a long list of potential Republican candidates for US President had slowly whittled its way down to three. Senator Ted Cruz and Governor John Kasich suspended their campaigns on May 3, after the leading candidate Donald Trump had secured an unassailable lead in delegates for the convention[1]. That Trump had even lasted the first few months of the long race for the nomination had surprised people. That Trump had actually beaten all the other candidates was mystifying. Of the many factions and flavours of Republicans, Trump appeared to be a poor fit for most of them. He was neither a neoconservative nor a libertarian nor particularly religious. His positions on key issues such as gun rights or abortion had been inconsistent over the years, as had his party allegiance. Whichever way you sliced the Republican Party, it appeared to have a natural anti-Trump majority.

But that’s not how elections work. Trump had built up a reputation as a fighter and had attracted a base of support by maintaining his quixotic “Birther” campaign alleging issues with President Barack Obama’s birth certificate for years. For many Republicans, Trump was not offering to be the perfect compromise candidate for the party but rather a champion in a culture war against the Democrats and the left. That base of support kept Trump in the race while other candidates dropped out leaving him facing the uninspiring Cruz and the too-moderate-to-win Kasich. Trump’s capacity to generate publicity for himself had kept him in the news and his unapologetic approach to bad news coverage had earned him even more support.

The outcome dismayed Larry Correia who was deeply suspicious of the New York businessman but most of all Correia had no faith that Trump could beat the likely Democratic Party candidate, Hillary Clinton.

“So the classless boor probably loses to the sea hag. Not that it matters too much, since they’d both govern as authoritarian democrats, only one has more nationalist rah rah thrown in. Spare me the nonsense about lesser evils and SCOTUS judges. He won’t make it that far. And by some miracle, like Hillary has a stroke, this rambling ignoramus wins, he would still screw that up somehow in his one term. Big question is does he suck enough to take the GOP with him? And if you think he is going to actually build a wall, you are a sucker.”


It was unusual for Correia to launch into his famous debating style against fellow conservatives but Trump appeared to be an electoral and political disaster for the right. In a later post, Correia would describe the situation:

“Trump is a bridge too far. We’ve had moderates and RINOs and held our nose and voted for them. But this isn’t a moderate or a RINO. This is an amoral statist authoritarian liberal, who got to where he was by being a huckster con appealing to anger and fear. He is a self inflicted gunshot wound to the head. He is an insult to the founders, a disgrace to our people, and in the unlikely event he wins, will probably go down in history as the man who ended any hope of small government or individual liberty in America. I won’t have that stain on my soul.” [2]

However, by this point, many Republicans had come round to the idea (in some cases reluctantly) of President Trump. That shift of opinion was visible among notable figures associated with the 2015 Sad Puppy campaign.

As early as February 2016, author John C. Wright had decided to shift his allegiance to Trump. Spurred on by his editor[3] Wright framed the election as an apocalyptic struggle between the “beast” of Federal Government and the forces of good. To that end, he argued that Ted Cruz might appear to be the best choice because of Cruz’s support of “basic Reaganesque principles”. However, for Wright, this would be an error because for him this was a culture war, not a policy discussion. To win, Wright believed that a different target had to be beaten first.

“I say the main enemy is the Press. Destroy the Press, and the federal government can be driven back into its proper constitutional limitations. With the Press at large acting as the False Prophet for the Beast, it cannot be driven back, because the people are deceived into thinking the Beast will not consume their lives.”

Citing the dangers of “political correctness”, Wright saw Trump as being uniquely capable of defeating the perceived evil of mass media. However, whatever doubts Wright had about Trump were more aesthetical than ideological[4]. In September, Wright found himself dissatisfied with Trump’s performance in the Presidential debates saying that:

“everything Trump said was correct, but how he said it seemed undignified and unbecoming of someone running for high office”

Wright is hard to describe as being typical and his views at the best of times run eccentric but he was far from the only Puppy supporter shifting towards Trump.

Peter Grant, who had been the most vocal advocate for a boycott of Tor Books in 2015, also found himself holding his nose when considering the voting options. Describing both Trump and Clinton as “deeply flawed” candidates, Grant asserted that Trump was preferable.

“Who is the ‘lesser evil’ among the candidates?  To my mind, that has to be Donald Trump.  I find that thought deeply distasteful in many ways.  Don’t forget, I’m a retired pastor, and I assess candidates from that moral and ethical perspective.  He doesn’t check many of my ‘positive’ boxes, and checks far too many of my ‘negative’ ones . . . but he checks more of the former, and less of the latter, than Hillary Clinton.  He’s also made some campaign promises that I would like to see implemented, even though I’m not sure of his sincerity or their practicality.  On those grounds, and with great moral reluctance, I see no-one else to support in the present election.  That’s a very sad commentary on the state of US politics today.”

Sarah Hoyt’s journey towards Trump took a lot longer. At the start of the year, she had been so opposed to Trump that she found herself in a back-and-forth blog argument with Vox Day [see chapter 54]. However, as the election drew closer, her deep dislike of Hillary Clinton tipped the scales.

“Having decided I needed to vote against Hillary: no, it’s not her corruption.  (What? You think it wasn’t there, before?  Or that I was so stupid as not to know it?  Or that the Clinton’s long time friend and crony, Donald Trump, doesn’t have some of that on him? Probably a lot of that on him.)  It’s the press.  The moment the sluice gates opened.  The moment it became obvious that she has, at the very least, committed serious security breaches, if not sold our secrets to the highest bidder, the press started a drumbeat of “Donald Trump’s tax returns for 1990 MIGHT have used a shady dodge to avoid taxes.”

Oh, yes, yes, that is comparable to the festering mess of corruption and horror that is the Clinton foundation, or the Pay for Play schemes Hillary ran as secretary of state, or–

It was that, the chorus of coordinated deflection, the drumbeat of covering up for a woman who, frankly, has nothing to recommend her, that pushed me over.

I’m going to vote against Hillary Clinton in the only effective way I can.”

A vulgar champion in a culture war, the lesser of two evils or a token candidate to serve as a protest vote against Clinton — the former Sad Puppies offered different rationalisations for siding with Trump. Some of those rationalisations were not dissimilar to the unhappy alliance they had made with Vox Day over the preceding years: an acknowledgement of the difference between their views and his but also that siding with a metaphorical devil[5] can be worthwhile to gain an effective ally against the left.

However, with Trump, neither Larry Correia nor Brad Torgersen took the final step towards Trump that they had towards Day. Nor was this wholly unusual for right-leaning people in Utah. Scepticism towards the overtly immoral and vulgar Trump was high among Mormons, much higher than among other socially conservative Christian denominations. At one point in October 2016, third-party anti-Trump libertarian Evan McMullin topped the opinion polls in Utah[6]. The possible loss of Utah as a safe Republican state had the potential to make it impossible for Trump to win sufficient electoral college votes to win the Presidency[7].

Brad Torgersen even began to wonder if Trump’s candidacy was not what it appeared to be.

“I’m just going to put it: when Trump loses (and he is going to lose, mark my word) it won’t be the fault of anyone but the Republican establishment, and then Trump himself. I understand fully that Trump voters detest Hillary. I agree. She’s a miserable option for POTUS. But when the Republicans allowed the Trump candidacy to go forward, they sacrificed any chance of beating Hillary. Because Trump was the perfect (for Hillary) combination of pomposity and buffoonery necessary to alienate undecideds and rally the Blue Dogs to Hillary’s cause. People want an outsider to go into D.C. and take scalps. I get it. I get it that Trump voters want the casino table turned over. They want the D.C. establishment smashed. But Trump was and is the worst kind of tool for the job. In fact, one could argue the Trump candidacy has made tools of us all, by gifting Hillary with a more or less smooth path to the White House. In this role, Trump has been practically perfect. Almost like it was planned that way.”

Torgersen was hardly alone in believing Trump was going to lose, as the New York businessman kept stumbling from one outrage to another[8].

Vox Day on the other hand was confident that Trump would win and also dismissive of Mormons in general as a set of voters.

“The ironic thing is that Mormons may be the only portion of the electorate dumb enough to collectively a) reject racial identity politics while simultaneously b) practicing aggressive religious identity politics.

You can get offended by my observation if you like, but you can hardly deny it. Taken as a political demographic, Mormons won’t vote for white American interests, but they’ll vote for a Mormon every single time.”

In the comment section of his blog, anti-Mormon sentiment became more overt with references to the infamous 1838 Missouri Mormon Extermination Order[9] and the use of anti-Semitic tropes reapplied to Mormons.

The Road to Pizzagate

If Trump’s campaign in October 2016 looked troubled, Vox Day remained bullish. Day had little to lose by predicting a Trump victory: if Trump subsequently lost the outcome could be attributed to electoral fraud or sinister Clinton shenanigans. With increased media attention towards the Alt-Right, Day’s status as a figure on the right was growing, although he remained a relatively minor figure.

Day’s past connection with the so-called “manosphere” of online misogyny and with GamerGate had brought him into contact with a number of sympathetic allies. In particular, Milo Yiannpoulos of Breitbart, YouTube self-help guru Stefan Molyneaux and self-proclaimed independent journalist Mike Cernovich.

Cernovich had segued his previous online presence as a self-help guru peddling macho sex advice and health food supplements to political commentary on the presidential election framed as “journalism”. A 2016 profile of Cernovich exemplifies how the election had helped raise his profile. The New Yorker described Cernovich’s background as:

“Cernovich trained as a lawyer. In 2003, he was accused of raping a woman he knew; the charge was later dropped, but a judge ordered him to do community service for misdemeanor battery. (His record has since been expunged.) On his first blog, which he started in 2004, he offered a libertarian critique of prosecutorial overreach, emphasizing free speech and false rape allegations. He launched his current blog, Danger and Play, in 2011, after his first wife filed for divorce.”

Cernovich had used his social media presence to build up concerns about Hillary Clinton’s health. These concerns largely lacked factual substance but were focused on picking on small details to present Clinton as weak or in declining health but when Clinton had a genuine fainting spell in September 2016, Cernovich gained a great deal of attention.

“On September 11th, Clinton fainted after attending a memorial service at Ground Zero. Cernovich wrote a post called “Complete Timeline of Hillary’s Health #HillarysHealth,” which included such data points as “peculiar travel habits” and “lengthy naps.” It got two hundred and forty thousand page views—less than a marquee Huffington Post story, but impressive for a blog with no advertising budget. More important, #HillarysHealth became a national trending topic on Twitter. That day, Chris Cillizza, a centrist pundit at the Washington Post, wrote an article titled “Hillary Clinton’s Health Just Became a Real Issue in This Campaign.” Scott Greer, a deputy editor of the Daily Caller, tweeted, “Cernovich memed #SickHillary into reality. Never doubt the power of memes.””


Day helped promote Cernovich’s campaign to his audience as well as promoting Trump as strong and healthy up to absurdly comic proportions. The mutual alliance between Day and Cernovich was further cemented by Day’s publisher, Castalia House, releasing a new book by Cernovich for the election.

Entitled MAGA Mindset: Making YOU and America Great Again, the book was emblazoned on the cover with a drawing of a beatific Donald Trump smiling over the image of a phoenix blazing up over an image of the USA. The short book cited four factors that Cernovich regarded as central to Trump’s success:

  • “First, Trump is a nationalist, so he puts America and American citizens first.”
  • “Second, Trump has rejected the concept of white guilt.”
  • “Third, Trump is unapologetically masculine.”
  • “Fourth, and finally, Trump has attacked political correctness and the thought police culture.”[10]

Cernovich’s book went on to mix advocacy for Trump’s anti-globalist nationalism with standard affirmation style self-help advice. Overtly linking the two aspects of the book Cernovich described Trump’s connection to the self-help approach.

“As one of the world’s few experts on mindset, I recognized Trump’s behavior during the Republican primaries was not random, as many pundits had erroneously claimed, but in fact was based on a deep background in mindset. Later evidence confirmed that this was the case, as during a campaign speech in Iowa, Trump mentioned that he had studied under, and attended church with, Norman Vincent Peale, the ground-breaking author of The Power of Positive Thinking. Trump’s mindset training began at an early age, as he grew up in the Presbyterian Church during the positive thinking movement led by Peale. In a speech during the Iowa primary campaign, Trump told the audience: “I went to Sunday school. Dr. Norman Vincent Peale, The Power of Positive Thinking, was my pastor. To this day one of the great speakers I’ve seen. You hated to leave church. You hated when the sermon was over. That’s how great he was at Marble Collegiate Church.”

From Part 3 of Cernovich, Mike. MAGA Mindset: Making YOU and America Great Again . Castalia House. Kindle Edition.[11]

In October 2016, two different email-themed news stories connected to Hillary Clinton grabbed the attention of the media. The first was the publication by the website Wikileaks of a dump of hacked emails from the Democratic Party National Committee (DNC) and from the personal email account of John Podesta the chair of Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign[12]. The second was an announcement by FBI Director James Comey to Congress that his agency was investigating a set of emails from Clinton discovered in a separate investigation[13]. While critics of Clinton expected both of these sources to reveal substantially discrediting facts about Clinton, neither did. However, the close proximity of the announcements to the election date arguably caused substantial harm to the Clinton campaign by creating a smokescreen of scandal.

Rightwing rumours and conspiracy theories about Bill and Hillary Clinton were at least as old as the World Wide Web itself. The Wikileaks release of emails from somebody so closely connected to Clinton would have been exciting for the online right at any time. Coming as they did in the closing weeks of a Presidential election in which many people expected Clinton to win, the email release must have been viscerally exciting.

However, the Podesta emails did not contain much in the way of major scandals or complex conspiracies[14]. Without much actual substance, the search began in alt-right spaces (such as 4chan, 8chan and parts of Reddit) to seek out hidden meanings behind the many mundane emails. Connecting rumours about how online paedophiles might clandestinely communicate, the alt-right amateur detectives seized upon references to “pizza” and a specific email from Podesta’s brother about a “spirit cooking dinner” run by a performance artist. From these slim connections, an increasingly elaborate web of speculation began to grow with claims of a secret satanic sexual abuse conspiracy operating in Washington DC.

Mike Cernovich and Vox Day were eager to involve themselves in the confabulation. Cernovich in particular used Twitter to amplify the wild speculation that was emerging from more fringe parts of the internet. Cernovich would claim that his past experience as a lawyer allowed him to discern that many of the emails were using secret code words in a similar style as those used by drug dealers. A reference to a hotdog stand was, Cernovich alleged, a code phrase. A set of emails about a handkerchief was also a code!

“Mike Cernovich@Cernovich
“I think it has a map that seems pizza-related.”
This is code. I know this from representing drug dealers.”

Mike Cernovich on Twitter quoted by Vox Day 03/11/2016

Cernovich alleged that collectively the “codes” revealed that Clinton had been running a sex trafficing ring.

On November 4, Donald Trump’s son Donald Trump Jr. actively promoted the conspiracy theory by tweeting a link to a YouTube video in which Stefan Molyneaux, Mike Cernovich and Vox Day discussed what they called the “Spirit Cooking Scandal”.

“Donald Trump Jr. promoted an “alt-right” video on his Twitter account that suggests Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton’s campaign is engaged in satanism and her aides are trying to “kidnap your children, make them disappear, sell them into all kinds of things.” The video features “alt-right” bloggers Vox Day, who claims blacks are inferior to whites, and Mike Cernovich, a rape apologist.”

The conspiracy theory blended elements of 1980’s “satanic panic”[15] and the anti-Semitic “blood libel”[16] with the tactics and networks of the alt-right and the remnants of GamerGate. For Vox Day, it was a continuation of the same misuse of concerns about child abuse to defame opponents that he had been using within science fiction communities.

November 8 saw the surprise win of Donald Trump as US President and yet this did not lead to a lessening of the online activity which had now been named “Pizzagate”. At the centre of the fiction, a real Washington restaurant, Comet Ping-Pong, was finding itself in an internet storm as even more lurid allegations were cooked up on the Chans and then amplified by social media accounts, blogs and alt-right personalities such as Cernovich, Jack Posobiec and Day. In addition, figures associated with Trump such as his son or the son of Trump advisor General Michael Flynn also helped promote the lurid fantasy.

Pizzagate would reach its maximum media coverage in early December 2016 when a man armed with an AR-15 and a handgun entered the restaurant believing he was on a mission to rescue stolen children hidden in a basment[17].

A new era

With a majority of electoral college votes but a minority of actual votes, Donald Trump had won the election. Close to Trump were figures such as Breitbart editor Steve Bannon with direct connections to the alt-right. The culture war had not merely escalated in 2016 but had spread beyond the spaces of popular culture and into the national politics of the world’s most powerful country.

On the last day of 2016 at Sarah Hoyt’s blog, one of her followers summed up events:

“How messed up was 2016? Let’s put it this way: Chuck Tingle getting a Hugo nomination
doesn’t even make the Top Ten of Crazy.”

Christopher M. Chupik

Next Time: We meet some new characters in Dramatis Personae…The Next Generation



48 responses to “Debarkle Chapter 59: Meanwhile…Trump, Puppies and Pizza”

  1. Poor John C. Wright. Some chapters back, he disobeyed God’s command to punch Terry Pratchett (no Ransom, he), and here he’s come out in support of Satan. Meanwhile, he’s not particularly fond of Catholics like PNH or the Pope.

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    • I didn’t read the one where he picked Trump. I read the one linked in the footnote about the delicate and fragile girls not deserving to vote. I REALLY! need brain bleach

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  2. In the mid 2000s, the UK Conservatives ran a fairly unsuccessful election campaign off the back of the slogan “Are You Thinking What We’re Thinking?” They were attempting to tap into the populist undercurrent but they were perhaps a decade too early.
    One of the key things that seems to have happened with Trump was that (like Brexit) that basically became the campaign approach – he was the first candidate to openly come out and repeat whatever had been the talking point on Fox News the night before, and that made him very unusual because he could be perceived as not being someone intent on their own ideology but instead, merely a reflection of what seemed to be the national opinion, when, of course, it was only actually the opinion of Fox News. [Here in the UK, it’s the Daily Mail that normally does that job although it’s now become the Daily Express and the Daily Telegraph as the Mail has desperately tried to distance itself from the incompetence of the Johnson administration.]

    So it doesn’t hugely surprise me that the commentators who still believed in meaningful debate would be reluctant to embrace Trump whereas the ones who were in it for the grift saw this as the perfect opportunity.

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  3. Typo patrol:

    “Close to Trump where figures such as Brietbart editor Steve Bannon” should be “Close to Trump were figures such as Breitbart editor Steve Bannon”

    “the to-moderate-to-win Kasich” should be “the too-moderate-to-win” Kasich”

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    • At least Teddy’s consistent in his hucksterism and awful beliefs.

      Larry changes his so often you wonder if he has short-term memory loss. Which also causes him to forget his blog is out there permanently with what he said before.

      That Onion bit is perfect.

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      • The reality is that Correia, like most of the Pups, is morally and intellectually bankrupt. He just has the “Jesus” get out of jail free card that makes him think he’s morally upstanding, even though he’s slimier than the slimiest gutter snake.

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        • How do you tell when a school system is run by Larry Correia?

          No principles.

          Thank you, I’ll be here all day.

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  4. This is an amoral statist authoritarian liberal, who got to where he was by being a huckster con appealing to anger and fear.

    It’s remarkable that Larry is so obtuse it escapes him that, stricken of his ridiculous use of the word ‘liberal’, he’s just pointed out that Trump is a perfect encapsulation of movement conservatism.

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    • I’m guessing that’s partly because he equates “statist” with “liberal” (along with the weird ideological blindness of “conservatives” to the self-evident fact that in the US, the armed forces are the biggest “statist” entities of them all. Along with the police & prisons, of course.)

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      • Nah, Tr*mp’s from NYC and in showbiz, so by Puppy standards, he obviously HAS to be liberal, right?

        And he did invite Bill and Hillary to his latest wedding. If you can call it that when it’s your third. and you cheated on your second with her, and don’t intend to stop rawdogging porn stars.

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        • It might be much simpler. Bad things are liberal and really bad things are doubleplusliberal. The rest is akin to madlibs and he might as well added “latte drinking”, “tree hugging” etc.

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        • It’s not unlikely that Correia just didn’t know much about Trump and hadn’t paid any attention to Trump’s previous political emissions. No one who’d seen his “bring back the death penalty, bring back our police” crap could mistake him for a liberal, but most people outside of New York hadn’t, and it’s not as if Correia was known for researching things he was uninformed about.

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          • Yeah, the Central Park Five could have told him otherwise.

            I really think Larry’s so dumb (how dumb is he?) that he automatically assumes everyone from NYC and/or in showbiz is liberal.

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            • I have read some of Correia’s fiction, including the parts where he tries to include politically-oriented material – hyping by “libertarianism” and denigrating “liberals”. However stupid you think Correia is, he is stupider than that.

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  5. The thing that always gets me about Pizzagate is how absurd the whole thing truly was. I can understand coming up with a conspiracy theory about Hilary Clinton, considering how hated she is among the far right. I can even understand associating Clinton with pedophilia and child abuse, because that’s the go-to insult among the far right (and not just in the US either, it frequently pops up in Germany, too, directed at the Green Party) to smear political opponents.But why on Earth would anybody claim that Hilary Clinton would be running a pedophile ring from the basement of a random suburban pizza parlour? That makes no sense at all. At least pick a restaurant Clinton is associated with and one which screams “aloof and amoral coastal elites” more than a suburban pizza shop?

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    • It’s not in the suburbs. Comet Pizza/Comet Ping Pong is in NW DC. It’ around 10 blocks from where I live.


      • I bow to your superior knowledge of Washington DC geography. Though a pizza parlour is still an unlikely location for the secret underground headquarters of a paedophile ring. Maybe the volcano lairs were all sold out.

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        • Cora Buhlert: a pizza parlour is still an unlikely location for the secret underground headquarters of a paedophile ring.

          Especially when the pizza parlour doesn’t even have a basement. 🙄

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        • It makes total sense! Because of the secret tunnels connecting all the businesses owned by the ring! /s

          It mostly seemed to have happened because Clinton’s campaign manager had his email hacked and there were a series of emails between the owner of Comet Pizza and Clinton’s campaign manager about the possibility of hosting a fundraiser at the restaurant.


    • I don’t know how much thought went into this, but assuming at least some of the people driving Pizzagate and Qanon were cynical manipulators, it could be seen as a kind of audience targeting in much the same way as the outlandishly unrealistic scenarios and clumsy language in scam emails. If your goal is to get people with average reasoning ability (even for a pessimistic definition of average) to think Clinton is guilty of crimes then you’d want to focus on something less ridiculous than Pizzagate. But if your goal is to build an audience of people with extraordinarily terrible reasoning ability who will follow you down any bizarre path you might ever come up with, essentialy a cult, and to practice your approach of using “follow the clues, do your own research” type rhetoric to pull in people who are susceptible to cult thinking but don’t think of themselves as “joiners”, then it makes sense to start out with something bizarre. The people whose response would be “WTF, how did you jump to *that* conclusion?!” are not the people you’re interested in.

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      • It also gets talked about more. An Australian conservative party, and now the Canadian one, used, or are using: they make some of their flyers and ads absurdly bad, even typo ridden. Then people share them online to laugh qt them…. and the underlying message gets more attention than it would if it were presented sensibly.

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        • Used, or are using. a related tactic. Missed some words while rushing to finish so I can take a video for my daughter.


  6. The fact that Teddy’s perfectly happy to go all-in on Mormon-hating (though they are the Whitest and most ‘Murican religion ever) makes Brad look even more like a lickspittle schmuck.

    I gotta admire his thoroughness at making Brad and Larry his bitches. His evil MUA HA HA about that was well-deserved.

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    • Brad and Larry complaining that “The Worldcon SJWs hate us because we’re Mormons” (No, we don’t. We hate you because you’re jerks), while their good buddy VD actually does hate Mormons really does take the cake.

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      • To be fair here Mormons are not really well known. A discription of christian basis with some strange addition would be how I see the religion.
        But if I go by worldcon, how did 3 Mormons (with Mary Robinette Kowal) win a Hugo for Best Related compare to beeing hated. Sanderson probably the writer who I mostly conect to Mormons can not be said to be hated by Worldcon. (He was at last in one case unlucky because he missed a nomination for the Lodestar by a hair)
        Also Brad wasn’t hated in the year were he was nominated for the Campell. He and Larry had to work to get hated that much.
        But for me what takes the cake is that after all the Mormon hate by VD, after the voting for the Hugo Larry and Brad are still on his site. That is pathetic.
        The second Larryquote is very prophetic btw, even getting there from the completly wrong assumptions.


      • Yes, Mormons are quite uncommon in Europe, though you occasionally see their missionaries, and most people know very little about them and care even less.


  7. It was unusual for Correia to launch into his famous debating style against fellow conservatives but Trump appeared to be an electoral and political disaster for the left.

    Point of order: Should that be “electoral and political disaster for the right”? I mean, Larry generally doesn’t care about leftist politics except to build strawmen and rag against them.

    [7] I’m not going to explain the electoral college here

    Awww. You think we could get Timothy to explain it to us? I’d love to get his take… 😉

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  8. Moar tyops! Now with bonus copy-editing!

    “Whichever way you sliced the Republican Party, there appeared to be a natural anti-Trump majority in the party.” Redundant? Possibly “…it appeared to have a natural anti-Trump majority.”

    “…most of all Correia had no faith that Trump could beat the likely Democratic Party candidate, Hilary Clinton.” s/b “Hillary” w/ two “l”s. Typo appears elsewhere too.

    “In a later post, Correia would describe the situation”: Needs period or colon at end.

    “Peter Grant, who had been the most vocal advocate for a boycott of Tor Books in 2015[,] also found himself…”: Add close comma after “2015”.

    “Day had little to lose by predicting a Trump victory, if Trump subsequently lost the outcome could be attributed to electoral fraud of sinister Clinton shenanigans.” Colon or semi-colon instead of comma? “of” possibly s/b “or” — “fraud or sinister…”

    “In particular, Milo Yianpoulos of Breitbart…” s/b “Yiannopoulis”. I call him Yapalotolis, but I can see that wouldn’t be appropriate here.

    “Cernovich had segued his previous online presence as a self-help guru pedalling…” s/b “peddling”

    “The short book cited four factors that Cernovixh…” s/b “Cernovich”

    “Coming as they did in the closing weeks of a Presidential election in which many people expected Clinton to win, must have been viscerally exciting.” Something before “must” — “the releases must…”?

    “Connecting rumours about how online paedophiles might clandestinely communicator…” s/b “communicate”.

    “At the centre of the fiction, a real Washington restaurant Comet Ping-Pong was finding itself…” Needs commas! — “Washington restaurant, Comet Ping-Pong, was finding itself…”

    “[2] “RINO” a dismissive term…” Colon after RINO? “RINO”: a dismissive term…

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  9. John Wright: “[M]y editor asked me to endorse one candidate or another, so I held my nose and picked one. One candidate, I mean, not one nose.” See, that’s funny! I mean, not very funny, but head and shoulders above the usual crude insults and heavy irony on right-wing blogs. Every so often I think the real Wright is trying to escape from the troll that took over his personality. And then he says something like, “Destroy the Press,” casually dismissing one of the most important principles of the United States, and I realize the troll has probably settled in for good.

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    • Note the JCW is suck a lickspittle that when his editor said “pick a candidate” he didn’t say “my politics are none of your business”, he saluted and did as he was told, like a good little toady.

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      • Yeah, so much for the secret ballot.

        Particularly coming from a guy who doesn’t even live in the US because he can’t.

        I guess he thought he owed Teddy for paying to… send him cross-country to be repeatedly humiliated?


  10. It seems to be about three weeks left until BasedCon (somehow, this post reminded me). I wonder if it will go off well? For their sake, I actually hope so, but I fear the worst.


    • Knowing how they think, I fear a super-spreader event. Or a micro-spreader event. Will there be a ball pit?

      I hope all the PoC and LGBT+ staff (and women) of wherever they are get the weekend off.

      And why did they name themselves after a term referring to people addicted to crack cocaine?? (Answers on a postcard)


      • Well, it is probably the case that if you’re not a SJW, you’re free and basing things on a free base platform, So, by naming things in a free basing way, you signal your virtue (but, crucially, not virtue-signalling) as a free based person, possibly of the land?


        • Until BasedCon I’d never heard of the term “based” used in that way, but since then I’ve seen it a couple of time.

          Anyway, I don’t particularly care if the attendants all infect each other, as long as they don’t infect any innocent staff.


          • I had not heard (or seen) “based” used that way either, but then I am not really a freebaser, livind in. a based environment.

            If I understood the blurb announcing this correctly I suspect it will be very little “staff”, as it basically seems to be a large-ish cabin out in the middle of some sort of nowhere.


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