A content warning: this post covers some disturbing comments by people on the right of US politics including threats of violence.
I cited a comment yesterday in the Debarkle introduction and a reasonable question was asked about it in the comments. I want to stress that the question really was a reasonable one and I do want and expect a degree of fact checking on the the Debarkle posts. So this post is not intended as a rebuke to the question – push back and alternative readings are welcome. However, the flip side of that is side-posts like this one where I’m going to check the receipts so to speak or…write a mea-culpa and fix a mistake where I goofed.
The downside is that this post platforms some nasty stuff. So if you want to skip it then that is a smart idea. More below the fold.
In the first Debarkle post I referenced this comment by Sarah Hoyt
Seriously, I think we should do the media next. Put the fear of Americans into them.
Saint Augusto bless us.
Anyone has helicopters?”
I stated that “Saint Augusto” and “helicopters” was a reference to dictator Augusto Pinochet’s use of “death flights” to murder opponents. There is a break down of this meme here https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/free-helicopter-rides
An alternative explanation for “Saint Augusto” was made. The Martyrs of Turon where clerics murdered in Spain in 1934 by left-wing revolutionaries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyrs_of_Turon one of whom was called Augusto. That would make the “Anyone has helicopters” line a bit weird but I’ll concede that with no other context that maybe Sarah Hoyt (who is from Portugal rather than Spain but who is likely aware of these events) could have been referencing this saint rather than Pinochet.
Except, she wasn’t.
Context matters and the context here is the usage of the term in the comment section of the According to Hoyt blog.
First consider some usage by regular commenters other than Sarah Hoyt in the comment section of According to Hoyt.
…Anyway, if it would take a miracle to be sparred the necessities of Saint Augusto of the Whirling Blades, what is appeals to him other than a request for such?https://accordingtohoyt.com/2020/10/18/i-will-do-a-chapter-tomorrow/#comment-710489
This is by “Bob the Registered Fool” who is a regular at the blog. “Saint Augusto of the Whirling Blades” is not a term commonly used to describe Brother Augusto-Andres of Turon nor would that make any sense in context.
Did Bob specifically mean Pinochet? Yes. Here is a different pair of comments in a different post:
TheOtherSean says: A better solution would be half-way flights on Air Pinochet for antifa leaders, funders, and government co-conspirators like Keith Ellison.https://accordingtohoyt.com/2020/06/04/if-you-remember-nothing-else/#comment-679955
BobtheRegisterredFool says: Saint Augusto of the Whirling Blades, spare us that necessity.
And here again (and we will return to this post for more context):
AuricTech says: Call Pinochet Aviation at 1-800-BIG-DROP. Operators are standing by.https://accordingtohoyt.com/2020/08/03/the-plan-ahead/#comment-692753
BobtheRegisterredFool says: With apologies to Saint Augusto, helicopters aren’t the right answer here. The FAA and the NTSB could reasonably seek to intervene, because deaths, and it just wouldn’t be wise to invite the scrutiny if you own a helicopter, or own a pilot’s license…
Now for more context. Those quotes were from a longish sub-thread. Earlier in that thread Sarah Hoyt had written:
accordingtohoyt says: I’ve been telling Polis (not that he reads me, but maybe one of his moronic advisers does) that he’ll get to be on top of Denver, sure.https://accordingtohoyt.com/2020/08/03/the-plan-ahead/#comment-692549
But VERY briefly. And the drop is a killer.
“Polis” here being Jared Polis the Governor of Colorado.
And later in the same thread, on the same topic:
TRX says: Denver’s Department of Public Works says the city has 44,000 street lights. Just FYI.https://accordingtohoyt.com/2020/08/03/the-plan-ahead/#comment-692586
accordingtohoyt says: Might not be enough. There might have to be helicopters….
Nor are these isolated examples:
snelson134 says: On my angrier days, I wish Trump would give them the dictatorship they accuse him of. With a frozen swordfish. Sideways.https://accordingtohoyt.com/2020/11/17/none-of-this-is-new/#comment-720350
And free rides in Augusto’s airlines.
Or in this post:
TheOtherSean says: If Kamala goes full commie, it’s up to patriotic Americans to go full Pinochet.https://accordingtohoyt.com/2020/11/02/burn-brightly/#comment-714253
accordingtohoyt says: St. Augusto of the spinning blades, ora pro nobis.
Or slightly less inflammatory in this exchange:
tregonsee314 says: It comes back to their relativist view of reality. They do NOT accept that there are absolute truths. To them truth is just opinion. So if you get all the opinion pointing in the same direction Voila its True!!!! Time to find a helicopter and show them that there are absolute realities like acceleration due to gravity is 9.8 m/sec^2 and believing it is otherwise will not make you hang in mid air like Wile E. Coyote…https://accordingtohoyt.com/2020/12/16/i-do-not-consent-2/#comment-727534
Objective reality has ways of getting your attention — most of them quite rude.
accordingtohoyt says: St. Augusto of the Hellies be with us.
Note this use of “saint” to characterise a mass murderer is a feature of the far-far right that is wandering into less marginalised rhetoric. See for example, Vox Day’s use of “Saint Brevik” to refer to the notorious mass murderer.
Let’s go the other way and look for Sarah Hoyt referencing the Martyrs of Turon.
- The google search “Turon site::https://accordingtohoyt.com” has no hits.
- The google search “”Brother Augusto-Andres” site::https://accordingtohoyt.com” has not hits
- The google search “”Augusto-Andres” site::https://accordingtohoyt.com” has no hits
If she has made reference to the Martyrs of Turon on her blog then I can’t find it. Certainly, references to it on her blog are so uncommon that her regulars would not understand who “Saint Augusto” was without explanation if it was intended to be a reference to Brother Augusto-Andres. Whereas, “Saint Augusto” as a reference to General Pinochet and specifically to the Pinochet helicopter meme is (as demonstrated) commonly understood at Hoyt’s blog.