Straw Puppy’s POTUS Polls: The tiresome party guest who won’t leave

Those drapes really bring the room together.

It has been FOUR flippin’ weeks since the election and while we know who won, a section of the US really still hasn’t come to terms with it..

Conspiracy theories aplenty from this one: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dominion-servers-germany-seized/ to well…probably that one again as all the others are just sort of dull and that one at least has exciting raids rather than vans delivering sandwiches.

A good word for where things will go next is sedevacantism [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedevacantism] which is a technical Catholic terms that means “I’m a right wing extremist who can’t reconcile my views with reality. More specifically it’s what you get when somebody adopts a purist ideology that the Pope *must* be right and is a divine source of truth and then the Pope goes and says stuff you disagree with. Aha! Maybe he isn’t the REAL Pope! Expect similar logic shortly but with POTUS instead of POPEst.

54 thoughts on “Straw Puppy’s POTUS Polls: The tiresome party guest who won’t leave

  1. I live in a state (Maine) that’s deeply liberal along its coast and inland for twenty or so miles before veering to the conservative side for the rest of the state. It gave one of its four electoral votes to Trump while giving both House seats to Democrats and the Senate seat to a Republican. It has a strong anti-vaccine, anti-mask following among the rural population. Needless to say politics is complicated here.

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  2. Beale’s treatment of things is becoming deeply ironic, claiming that results being certified on schedule constitutes some sort of desperation play and that soon–SOON–the evil conspiracy will pay!

    The projection is epic.

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      1. Yes, but in that way of his where he has no understanding of the subject, but imagines he does, and so imagines martial law as a cheat code. It’s the Rabid Puppies all over again, only this time, he isn’t even a player–he just imagines he is.

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      2. He has no understanding of most subjects but imagines himself as a kind of renaissance man. He thinks himself as savvy in economics (goldbuggery and Austrian school crap) as well as genetics and human nature (He’s a creationist nut but a big believer in race science as well as pop evolutionary psychology and “game”).

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      3. The desire for martial law among the extreme right betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of Trump’s voter base – sure the fascists would get what they want under marshal law, but the modal Trump voter is a guy who is a dentist or owns a car dealership or sells insurance… these are people who don’t perceive themselves as being particularly well-off, but they’re well-off enough that any kind of guns-in-the-street strategy won’t pay off for them and will threaten their income stream. Even though they can’t articulate it, they have enough that massive civil disorder is not in their best interests, so they will pull against the more openly fascist solutions.

        It’ll be interesting to see if the Republican Party holds together when it’s being pulled in two sharply different directions as a result of this.

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      4. I suspect they probably imagine taking down the Evil Liberal Deep State will be as swift and efficient as a commando strike.
        Or they may figure that any loss of income is worth the gains of re-establishing while male supremacy.

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      5. Editing is for the weak!

        (I’m afraid the Klingon Guide to Software Engineering left a much bigger impression on me than it should have. However, I do think that a healthy ordeal by combat every now and then would improve most meetings.)

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  3. While the damage Trump will undoubtedly do before the inauguration will be dreadful, I’m taking malicious glee in his meltdown. Diaper Don wants it, can’t have it and it’s frying his brain.

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  4. And now Bill Barr, apparently aware that he will have to live in a post-Trump world, has issued a statement saying the DoJ has found no evidence of widespread voting irregularities.

    Giuliani, predictably, responded with fantasies.

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    1. Beale, equally predictably, has posted a blog entry titled: “This is why they say there is no evidence”.

      “Because they’re desperately trying to destroy all of it. If, at this point, you still don’t understand that #bidenlost, you’re simply not paying attention.”

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      1. As with all peddlers of conspiracy theories, Beale has descended to asserting that a lack of evidence to support his claims is the evidence to support his claims.

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      2. Classic example, Gov. Earl Warren of California in WW II: The very fact there’s no evidence of Japanese Americans working against us proves they’re hiding their agenda until they can accomplish something horrifying and big.

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  5. The beauty of the Deep State conspiracy mythos is that it can incorporate every paranoid fantasy that you care to imagine could exist. Trump this week neatly added the two Judges that he nominated to the Pennsylvania Superior Court to that conspiracy after they ruled against him on one of his ballot fraud cases. Obviously if they oppose him, they’re Deep State actors, aren’t they?

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      1. They appealed their own win and asserted that the judge couldn’t make the ruling they did make (which was in their favour) so the judge said, sure OK I guess you need to file this with a different court in that case.

        It looks absurd but as the primary objectives are 1. the grift and 2. spread disinformation and 3. feed into the persecution narrative, then not winning and dragging things into legal knots really is a win for Powell et al.

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    1. “If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy.”
      – David Frum

      The Repugnant Party keeps on proving the validity of David’s observation.

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      1. It’s not an observation. It’s his own experience. He is a conservative who also rejects democracy. He helped Bush lie as speechwriter to help create the situation we’re in now and let Republicans engage in massive voter suppression, the building up of the police state, government sanctioned torture, etc. He just feels out of power at the moment.

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  6. I’m sure you’ve read about/seen the advertisement published in the Washington Times by the We the People ‘convention’ calling for martial law. Interestingly enough, the guy named as the President of the We the People crowd lives about 5 or 10 miles away from me. He’s run the local Tea Party group since the early Obama years, and we’ve run up against him every so often over the last decade or so. First he published an ad in the local newspaper calling for a return to the glory years of 1912 or so (pre-dating the Federal Reserve), and I was forced to write a response pointing out that those years saw massive numbers of lynchings, high levels of infant mortality and numerous deaths due to now-curable conditions like diabetes, pneumonia and typhus. Oh, and there was also his loudly announced “investigation” into “voter fraud” after the 2012 election, which he actually justified on the grounds that he and his friends didn’t see enough likely Obama voters at their (rural, nearly all-white) precincts to support the results.

    Then my tween son, who was in a remarkably annoying rebellious phase at the time, came across their booth at the local county fair and signed up for their mailing/phone list. So for a period of about 4 or 5 years, we’d get periodic shout-y voicemail messages from him about Benghazi, Jade Helm, leftist takeovers and the like. Notwithstanding the repeated calls I made to him requesting to be removed from his list, it took a threat to sue him on behalf of my minor son to get him to stop. I guess he’s now moved onto a national stage. Lucky us.

    I’m just left wondering what the fuck is going to happen to this country over the next 10 years, if there’s that many folks like him.

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      1. The irony of a group demanding that because Congress, the Courts, and the state governments are allegedly “ignoring the Constitution” and promoting as the proposed remedy a declaration of martial law and imposition of a new (and unConstitutional) election upon the nation is simply too great to let go without note.

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    1. Where we go from here is a big question on some of the liberal blogs I follow. The general thinking is that a lot depends on how much Trump voters want Trump or whether they’d be satisfied with someone who’s just as racist and misogynist but doesn’t have the same ability to charm his voters.

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      1. If the history of political movements of this type is any guide, the “Trump nominee” will be an increasingly fringe figure. Perot is the closest analogue I can come up with to Trump, and by 2000, his “Reform Party” was nominating guys like Pat Buchanan before descending into infighting and total irrelevance. They still exist, but no one cares about them.

        Most other examples basically resulted in the “insurgent” political movement getting absorbed into one of the major political parties. Bryan’s Populist Party ended up coopted by the Democrats (which is in large part why the Democrats became the pro-labor party), most of Wallace’s “American Independent Party” voters drifted back to the Republican Party (which is part of why the Republican Party has become so very racist), and so on. The American Independent Party still exists, but it is a irrelevant fringe group.

        Basically, either the Trumpists will become entirely irrelevant, or they will merge with the Republican Party.

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      2. Trump’s support has almost never dipped below 40 percent, and higher among Republicans. So I don’t think he’s comparable to past presidents — he might well get the nomination if he carries through on his threats and runs in 2024.
        At this point I think Trumpism is Republicanism. Down the road it might split between people who idolize Trump and people who embrace his er, principles (as we’re seeing in Georgia) but only time will tell.

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      3. Trump is not an aberration. He is he inevitable end result of the Republican Party’s long, slow slide into Fascism since Nixon. Trumpism IS Republicanism. There is no distinction.
        This is the reason why the Republican Party needs to be utterly destroyed, and all Republicans from the highest office on down to the local neighbourhood dog-catcher need to be voted out of office.
        Republicans must never again be trusted with political power.

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  7. You’ve got to remember, they don’t actually worship Trump. It isn’t a cult for one person ever. They just want to oppose the opposition and keep it from having any power, to keep the country on an authoritarian track where advantages keep coming to them, they hope. Trump won power on their “team,” so they use Trump against the opposition. The uproar over the presidential election isn’t about Trump at all — they know he lost. But it’s an opportunity to use that defeat to the opposition to work further against the opposition, to undermine democratic elections. Claiming that there was massive election fraud with no real evidence costs them nothing and it gives grounds for those Republicans in charge of state governments to then start making regulations and changes that increase voter suppression and unsafe elections, as well as increases general distrust in government, which is what is always exploited to increase authoritarianism (and in the U.S. white supremacy.)

    In order to be the superior righteous, the opposition must always be the dastardly villains who are disrespectful of their superior righteousness and always, always wrong — unreasonable, illegitimate and threatening Other. Those who pushed anti-mask wearing have had to come up with increasingly wild and ridiculous reasons why wearing masks is bad simply because the perceived opposition is for wearing masks and people accepting the mask wearing policies would mean the opposition is right and government works for the people in mask mandates. And that means they aren’t in power and control of the society — that they are not the superior righteous. More importantly, fighting mask wearing and governments calling for it are opportunities to advance control and restrictions on society for their side and sense of power. There are Republicans who do believe in mask wearing and so they simply believe that Trump has always been for mask wearing, and also may be against government mask mandates because again the opposition wants them and the government is supposed to be weakened. The government — the democratic institution that helps the people, represents their interests in law and regulates those who would harm people and their environment — always needs to be weakened.

    If officials in the Leopards Eating People’s Faces party don’t tow the line because they can’t safely do so for themselves, then they send the leopards to gnaw on the official faces to both get them back in line but also simply to advance their position. Maybe the Georgia Repub officials get all the way eaten by leopards, maybe they don’t, but the important thing is weakening the opposition’s opportunities in elections and increasing voter suppression to keep rule of the (superior righteous and in the U.S. very white) minority. Trump’s lawyer who called for an ex-elections official to be shot by firing squad has been kicked out of the Gridiron Club for that. He mumbles that he was only “joking” and shouldn’t be condemned by the Gridiron Club for it. Because the superior righteous should not be condemned or criticized — that has to be insisted upon, only the inferior opposition should face that and worse punishment to show that the superior righteous are in charge. It’s okay to talk about murdering the opposition and to use that not-so-hyperbole hyperbole to advance authoritarianism. If authoritarianism is in place, then he shouldn’t have been kicked out of the club. That he was makes him less the superior righteous in charge, even though the Gridiron Club members probably back his political positions; he just made them look less superior righteous about it.

    You have to look at what they do and what the goals behind it are, not what they say, as they’ll say anything as long as it is a collective cacophony that advances authoritarianism and keeps them the superior righteous. The religious ones are often told that it is their god’s ordained command that they lie and hurt people in the name of advancing their power, and thus okay.

    https://www.salon.com/2020/12/01/dont-be-fooled-trumps-conspiracy-theories-wont-discourage-georgia-republicans/

    The Republican party officials and politicians have decided that they will let Trump rampage for two more weeks until the Electoral College because his and those who claim to follow him are doing useful damage. They don’t care how many Americans die or face long term health challenges (both are profitable to most of them.) They don’t care if the economy is in the toilet (the big cheeses will make money off of it and it provides more chaos to control workers and undermine democracy in government.) Some of them will criticize Trump, since he’s reduced in power. Others will support him because they want to use his supporters and their battering ram efforts. Most will stay vague and in the background, slowly shrugging at the election loss.

    After the 2012 election, the Tea Partiers — the chief astroturfed form of QAnon at the time — petered out, with some going to concentrate on the states and others joining white supremacy militias. (Trump revived it, which is how he got a lot to follow him in the 2016 primary.) Right now QAnon is still operating and will take awhile to peter out for the next call to words. It will likely morph into other right wing movements. So the wildness will be on-going. And with various smaller propaganda media operations getting a boost recently, they’ll keep using the same rhetoric, while Fox figures out where they want to be in the landscape.

    Again, it doesn’t cost them anything to say all this stuff most of the time. And when it does cost an individual something, they blame it on civil rights movements and claim persecution by which they can keep denouncing the opposition. We’re in the middle of a big cultural shift and these techniques that they’re all adopting have been effective since 1994 and useful always.

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    1. “You’ve got to remember, they don’t actually worship Trump. It isn’t a cult for one person ever.”
      Maybe. Maybe not.
      They were cultlike about W when he was president, but that faded along with his approval by the end of his presidency. Trump’s had a constant approval rating slightly above 40 percent. And unlike W, he’ll possibly be active after he leaves office: some kind of TV show, or gearing up to run in 2024 (whether or not he actually does, there’s money to be made in running and adulation to soak up).
      It’s quite possible Trump’s just a convenient figurehead and they’ll move on. It’s possible nobody else has the right personality to inspire them. He’s (or so I’ve been told) surprisingly charismatic at rallies, and he makes a good fantasy figure: a rich guy but instead of being an “elitist” he eats fast food, bangs porn stars and indulges all his worst impulses. He’s a poor person’s daydream of being rich.

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      1. “They were cultlike about W when he was president, but that faded along with his approval by the end of his presidency.”

        Yes, because they didn’t really worship W. They just said that they did and that was patriotism. Because he was useful. When he was used up, they didn’t care. Trump will not be used up after he leaves office. (Though I think he has neurological disease such as dementia and doesn’t have that many years left.) He and his family will keep trying to grift and they face high profile legal charges (Ivanka has already done one deposition on tax fraud so far.) The media will have a hard time giving him up so he’ll get air time for his schemes. They will keep using him to advance (white) authoritarianism and he will keep using them to advance authoritarianism for his personal gain and self image. But others will also split off and use/go with other figures to advance authoritarianism efforts that might be more directly beneficial to them or who they see as their team. This already happened (see Lincoln Project, etc.) And when he’s no longer President, than that aspect is no longer useful to him except for Lost Cause conspiracy theories that they will claim they believe in because it fits their world view and makes them feel superior righteous.

        QAnon depended on Trump being president and destroying the Deep State so all the QAnon grifters are trying to milk the election claim as much as they can, but eventually they’ll have to morph. They’re already doing that with different sects because again they didn’t really worship Trump. They worshipped the myth about how the opposition was truly evil and would be brought down by the superior righteous. When that didn’t happen, the claims got wilder and wilder irrespective of any supposed communications from the supposed “Q” — Hilary has been executed and replaced by a clone! Biden’s foot boot is to hide an ankle monitor, blood libel, lizard people, etc.

        Sydney Powell is a major QAnon grifter and got herself on Trump’s clown car legal team. But she spouted too much weirdness as the official line, so they kicked her off. She’s no longer Trump’s lawyer and his people told her to stop. But she’s gotten lots of funding as a grift, so she’s filing bogus lawsuits of her own. And lots of people support her and her efforts even though Trump rejected her. That’s not very cult like, except in terms of an unofficial splinter group, which we’ll see more of the next few months.

        The important thing is to keep the assertion going that the opposition is evil, will be conquered by the good people with violent force and keep pushing it on every single thing. Some will claim white right wing mass shooters are patriots, Democratic politicians trying to get food to people is tyranny — it doesn’t have to make sense or align with their own policy preferences and life situations and it’s not adhering to a set dogma put forth by one cult leader. It is a cult that worships violence and the deaths of their supposed enemies, but they never stick to worshipping one person and they’ll shift their rhetoric whichever way is suggested to them to get at the opposition. And they tend to justify it with active bigotry and/or claims of violence by the opposition.

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  8. Fred Clark has an interesting idea posted at the Slacktivist blog called Epistemic Nihilism:
    https://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2020/12/02/epistemic-nihilism/

    It’s all about the fact that much of what we’re seeing here with QAnon and the like is a conspiracy theory that dispenses with the actual ‘theory’ part. It’s not playing ‘connect the dots’ because there aren’t any actual dots to start with. There’s nothing that needs to be explained in the first place, rendering it even more immune to debunking than normal conspiracy theories: instead there’s pretty much just self-sustaining and free-floating indignation and disconnect from anything vaguely resembling reality.

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    1. This kind of thing has been coming on for a while. When Obama was nominated one of the right-wing Pams (Geller or Oshry, I can’t remember which) wrote a long article about how if you connect a lot of non-existent dots, Barack Obama can only be the secret love-child of Malcom X!
      Which of course, means crap-all as far as his fitness for the White House, but I imagine it was meant to scare the shit out of conservative white people (get out and vote before the black radical Black Muslim seizes power and launches a race war!).

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      1. Pamela Geller divorced Michael Oshry in 2007 per the font of all knowledge, Wikipedia (getting $4M out of the settlement!). The great thing about her Malcom X “theory,” though, was that it was mutually incompatible with the birther “theory.”

        The Canadian version is that Justin Trudeau is the love child of Fidel Castro, which clearly makes sense as Fidel and Justin both had lots of hair and Pierre Trudeau did not. Which clearly proves that Justin Trudeau is evil.

        Shit like this is why I don’t vote for conservatives in either country.

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      2. Well, Justin’s mom was, er, socially active (I am old enough to remember Studio 54 when I was a kid years from being able to go to any disco), but I don’t think Fidel was one of them. Especially since Wiki says Justin was born so soon after his parents married, so.

        But maybe Fidel bequeathed him the hair in his will or something?

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  9. I guess the excuse that they weren’t allowed to produce evidence in court is dead (although “our case is a hopeless disaster” is not exactly a good excuse for a loss). Nevada threw out a Trump lawsuit, yesterday finding that none of the allegations had sufficient evidence.

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    1. Trump’s “elite strike force” of lawyers also lost in Wisconsin and Minnesota in front of both state supreme courts today. The Wisconsin supreme court described Trump’s case as “bizarre”.

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