Apparently our old friend and interlocutor Phantom is still reading the blog and leapt to the defence of Ms Hoyt’s argument for not applying social distancing measures in Colorado.
“I note at this time that the odious flopping cameltron has decided that he/she/it must decree that Sarah and the rest of us are all A) uneducated losers and B) racist bigots.”https://accordingtohoyt.com/2020/04/03/assume-a-spherical-cow-of-uniform-density-in-a-frictionless-vaccum/#comment-664138
Uneducated? No. Reasoning poorly? Yes. Many educated people make poor arguments, particularly when they apply their learning and reasoning to the purpose of convincing themselves that what is not true is actually true.
Racist bigots? I’ll be politic and diplomatic and simply say that if I was attempting to establish that the denizens of the comment section were either racist bigots or happy in the company of racist bigots, I wouldn’t start with this post from Sarah Hoyt.
“Nowhere in the camel’s analysis and defense of computer models do I see mention of the A) failure of Western governments to hold back the infection by restricting air travel, or B) the failure of socialistic countries to have adequate medical supplies for an emergency.”
Because neither points were pertinent to the question at hand: whether the people of Colorado should follow social distancing measures now – in the current situation.
Should governments have shut down air travel earlier than they did? Yes. You and Hoyt would have howled and howled about overreacting and governments interfering with business etc because the *right* way to have taken that extreme step would have been to shut down far more than flights to and from China. Of course that requires 20-20 hindsight and I can forgive even Donald Trump for not having that.
And more pertinent to Ms Hoyt’s and Mr Phantom’s ideology, why did CAPITALIST fail to have adequate medical supplies for this emergency? In Particular why was the supposedly greatest nation on Earth, the USA, so woefully unprepared? Mr Phantom’s own nation of Canada, is currently managing the disease better than the USA — not flawlessly by any means but still better. Why is that if the USA is just so good at things and has such great leadership currently?
“What would be cheaper: shutting down the airline industry for December, January and February when the virus first broke out, or doing what we’re doing now? I can hear them screaming RACIST!!! from here.”
Shutting down air travel in JANUARY completely would have worked. That’s pretty much what would have been needed. To isolate the disease just in China you’d have needed to shut down air travel to and from China in December or probably even November. Nobody, including the good Mr Phantom, knew that at the time of course except maybe the government of China. The President of the USA didn’t establish the Whitehouse Coronavirus Taskforce until January 29.
And yes, the Chinese government deserve a huge heap of blame as a consequence. Not that helps contain or treat the disease now. Nor does it in anyway help Sarah Hoyt’s argument. Oh yes, obviously I understand that rather than presenting any specific logical or factual challenges to the arguments I made, that you seek to find some kind of point scoring instead.
“Could we have kept it there long enough to generate a vaccine and get it distributed to all the vulnerable people in our populations?”
Maybe. After all the 2013-2016 ebola outbreak was largely contained within three countries, with just a few cases spreading beyond and cases in the UK, USA and Italy being confined to healthcare workers who had bravely gone to contain the outbreak. Of course that was a different era and the USA acted cooperatively to limit the outbreak.
Could the same have been done with China and Covid-19? Maybe. It would have needed a degree of international cooperation that sadly seems to have gone by the wayside since 2016. It would have needed a greater degree of trust between the US and China and, let’s face it, it would have needed a more competent POTUS (that’s not an ideological point, a more competent GOP president of any kind, even Bush Jr would have been less disastrous).
And again, none of that points to Hoyt’s position being correct: that the virus isn’t as dangerous as it is or that social distancing measures aren’t currently the main weapon we have.