Some responses to that Nazi piece

Chris Chupik mentions this piece in the comment section at Sarah Hoyt’s blog.

Coyote Gravity by Christopher M. Chupik

Oddly he says this:

Christopher M. Chupik March 26, 2017 at 12:09 pm
If you believe the commenters, I’m an American Christian Conservative Trump-supporter.

News to me.

Except…well nobody (i.e. zero people) call him either an American, Christian or a Trump supporter. I expect non-sequiturs and claims of persecution but I’m actually a bit baffled by this. Naturally, he doesn’t quote anybody but wow, talk about people running in mid-air with no ground below them.

Hoyt also adds, counterfactually:

 accordingtohoyt | March 26, 2017 at 2:03 pm | Reply

Oh, we all are. In fact I was going to do a post on this. They don’t understand quite a number of us are not Christian, not straight, not cis anything. They divide by conformist group, so the only reason we don’t belong to them must be our unacceptably characteristics and being members of the establishment they imagine (which hasn’t existed for at least 100 years.) The scientific name for them is “Asshats.”

Huh? Is it the quip about modern conservatives thinking demons are real and nazis are imaginary that annoyed them? Because Hoyt just appended her comment to a piece that complains about witches and which disputes the existence of Nazis. The comment relates not to what I think conservatives ARE but as to how conservatives PORTRAY themselves, as amply documented by fellow pups in recent weeks.

Are conservatives all kinds of people? I assume so, because I’ve never met a group of people that wasn’t diverse at least on some dimensions. Do modern right wing conservatives/libertarians let straight Christian men call the shots and control the debate? Hmmm, yup. Indeed we all saw how that dynamic played out in the Puppy-debacles.

Ho hum.

11 thoughts on “Some responses to that Nazi piece

  1. Perhaps in the alternate universe the Puppies inhabit — the one where witches and demons are real, but Nazis don’t exist — somebody put a comment on your post which called Chupik an “American Christian Conservative Trump-supporter”.

    But I’m betting that actually came from one of the voices inside his head.

    Also, I love Hoyt’s post, which complains about all conservatives being lumped together as a homogenous group by lumping all liberals together as a homogenous group.

    Seriously, if you put characters who behave like this in fiction, the critics would complain that they are not believable.

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      1. Are you kidding? Echo chambers can outpace ordinary discussion quite easily, because nobody has to say anything constructive, and so feel no problem with various iterations of “I agree”, punctuated by new bouts of people letting their freak flags fly, inevitably prompting another wave of agreeing.

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  2. The crazy thing about these folks is that they’re also repeating Nazi propaganda as if it had no meaning whatsoever. For instance, here’s Kate Paulk (also on Hoyt’s blog)*:

    ‘Hitler’s “knife in the back” rhetoric was grounded in reality. If it had been purely fabrication, it wouldn’t have resonated nearly as well.’

    Amazingly, perhaps the least stupid thing about this line is that it came after an entire paragraph discussing *external* influences, which is the opposite of “knife in the back.” But as most of us know, the Dolchstoßlegende has very specific connotations regarding Jews that is 100% grounded in myth and fabrication. It’s kind of amazing that, in this day and age, someone would complain about people being too loose with Nazi connotations while also citing their rhetoric even somewhat approvingly as historical fact.

    At this point, I can’t tell the difference between them being amazingly stupid, completely ignorant of history and politics, or just defending their own personal fascism; but seeing the Puppies unmasking themselves as being exactly what they complained they were being accused of is worthwhile. The circumstances that have made them feel safe to do so, though, is less worthwhile.


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